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« on: January 06, 2004, 12:20:31 AM »
The Best Muzzleloading Scopes by Price

When it comes to the “eye of the beholder,” there are few products in the muzzleloading city that are more divisive and derisive-filled than riflescopes. I thought it was supposed to be nitrogen? The debate is endless, and often turns into esoteric differences of opinion over entirely subjective minutia. The difference of a couple of ounces mark earmark a scope as “heavy,” even though it is to be mounted on a rifle that weighs over nine pounds with ramrod. The “light transmission” numbers are not standardized, yet everybody needs that number—though looking through a scope rated 5% “better” may not be discernible by most of us. We all seek scopes with “non-critical eye relief,” though that can hardly be defined satisfactorily to all, or at all. We want to know if a scope will “take the recoil,” though the vast majority of scopes are specifically designed to do just that, and do well. We want the “best resolution,” yet resolution is not stated by our scopemakers—and scope lenses fall into a very low category of quality compared to camera lenses or medical imaging units. We fuss and bluster about parallax and brightness, yet most can understand that when the power ring is turned down all scopes get brighter, and parallax seems to go away. We want to know “where they are made,” as if only one or two countries in the world can possibly possess a proper scope line. We all want more magnification than we need, for most of us can shoot iron sights with ease at 50 yards, and at 150 yards through a three power scope we ask no more of our eyes and are given the advantage of a single sighting plane. We call certain brands of scopes “good” or “bad” based on that trade name alone. We should know by now that all specific models of one particular brand name of cameras, televisions, or even automobiles is no absolute guarantee of anything—and a Mercedes can go in for warranty work just as often as a Toyota. We spend little time using riflescopes, and we “should” be focusing on binoculars instead. Yet, scopes are far more fun. Well, we’ve had fun testing bushel-baskets full of scopes on some forty muzzleloaders, and some favorites have become apparent in each price category. An inline muzzleloader is every bit as deserving of reliable glass as any other hunting rifle—after all, it is used under the same conditions, and often at the very same ranges. We think these are “worth a look” by muzzleloading enthusiasts. The prices are general, street value prices only, and are naturally only a rough guide.

Best Scope Under $150: The Millett Buck Gold 3 x 9 x 44

Don’t let the “Made In China” fool you one bit—the “Buck Gold” is a bright, clear, extremely tough scope with easy to use finger adjustments and a hassle free lifetime warranty. For those that might want an etched, illuminated reticle: the Millett Buck Lightning is otherwise the same scope for about forty dollars more—and compares well with IR scopes costing twice the price. Somewhat heavy and bulky, it may look out of place on the more diminutive muzzleloaders, but no more so than most other 44mm objective scopes. We’ve recommended this scope to several others, and they have been universally surprised and pleased that you can get this much scope for such little money. So were we.

Best Scope Under $200: The Bushnell Elite 3200 3 x 9 x 40

A tough titanium tube, handy quick-focus eyepiece, the scope includes the fabulous Bushnell RainGuard that has already proven to be one of the breakthroughs in recent scopemaking technology. It features crisp metal on metal adjustments, and we would be proud to hunt this scope anywhere. We’ve taken animals well after sunset with it out of the brush at over 120 yards, and have found the image brightness similar to a Vari-X II, and everything else about the scope markedly better than a Vari-X II. Again, this tube has a lifetime warranty, and is simply a home run for Bushnell. We prefer the standard plex reticle 3200s to the heavy low light or Firefly reticles—the glass is good enough where we just don’t feel they are requisite. Also, unless your muzzleloader is completely blowback-free, the gloss version of this scope has proven to be easier to clean. Like all Light Optical Works (Japan) assembled scopes, the 3200s have been very uniform in quality from scope to scope. It would be “the winner” in this price range even without the extra tough tube and the Rainguard—these two features just make it a lead pipe cinch in this category.

Best Scope Under $250: The Sightron SII 3 x 9 x 42

The Sightron SII scopes have been one of the best-kept secrets in optics for far too long. We were stunned by the better than Vari-X III image quality, the ultra precise adjustments, its light weight, and compact size. Sightron has been building a terrific name for itself over the last few years. It isn’t the biggest scope company, but it is one of the best. We have yet to meet a Sightron we didn’t like! Sightron has a huge line in their SII class, with power ranges and reticle variations as stock product most manufacturers just don’t have. A no nonsense lifetime warranty that never keeps you waiting for a repair completes the picture. What your eyes tell you, your heart must believe. If extremely bright, clear glass combined with a uniquely solid adjustment system appeals to you, you cannot do better than the Sightron SII in this price class. At least, we have not been able to.

Best Scope Under $400: The Bushnell Elite 4200 2.5 x 10 x 40

This was perhaps the easiest choice of all. The Bushnell Elite 4200 2.5 x 10 x 40 is the best scope under $400, the best scope under $375, and the best scope under $350—contingent on where you shop. It has everything that made us so impressed with the 3200, the terrific RainGuard, the strong titanium / aluminum alloy tube, and confidence-inspiring metal on metal adjustments. In addition to all that, it has a true 4X zoom range that handles most any hunting situation we can think of, and vibrant image quality that just jumps out at us. It is a fabulously bright, clear scope—one that outshines every scope in its piece range handily, and most scopes commonly available at any price. Actually, the entire Bushnell Elite 4200 line is nothing short of spectacular. Where other manufacturers empty your wallet with incremental changes in power range or objective size, Bushnell does not: even the 4 x 16 x 40 or the 2.5 x 10 x 50 versions of this scope can fall under the $400 window. Whatever your preconceived notions of Bushnell riflescopes might be—the 4200 will change your paradigm about how crisp and bright a scope can be. The Bushnell 4200 scopes are not billed as “constant eye relief,” but we found that they are very close to it. Where many scopes require stock crawling after spinning the power ring, the Bushnell 4200s exhibit a distinct lack of this annoyance—as we are able to maintain a consistent stockweld while spinning through the entire zoom range of the 2.5 x 10. Well after a day’s hunt, with game already bagged, our muzzleloaders discharged, more than a few fellow hunters have gushed, “It looks like daylight through that scope of yours!” We think they are fabulous, and believe you will too.

We certainly think that good muzzleloaders deserve quality optics for the same reason as any other hunting rifle—to see what you are shooting at. Over and over again, the number one factor cited in the clean, humane harvesting of game is precise shot placement. A good scope just makes that task a whole bunch easier. These scopes have proven themselves to be worthy of your consideration. As in all things, your eyes and your standards are what count. If you’ve not checked these scopes out firsthand, you should see what you are missing—or, more hopefully, hitting!


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« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2004, 02:51:38 AM »
While your at it do you have any list for 1x scopes WI has that limitation and I think it sucks that they make you use a no power scope that cost usually more than scopes with magnification. Ya would think the no mag scope would cost less but is usually more.  :(   I suppose you will mention red dots but except for really close range I have never been too exited with red dots I have had the 4moa and did not like them as they were not as precise as a scope. Yea I know that they make 1moa now and I would not mind trying one of them but they are too pricey for my wallet. :( Jim
Said I never had much use for one, never said I didn't know how to use it.

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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2004, 06:13:26 AM »
No, I've never ever used a 1X optical scope.

I've had very good luck with the Bushnell Holosight II-- the red dot tubes and my eyes don't get along well. The Aimpoints are the only ones where the dot actually looks round to me compared to the poor Leupold / Gilmore, Millett, Bushnell, Tasco, etc., tubes I've tried.

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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2004, 07:02:19 AM »
Maybe that is part of the problem I have used cheaper ones no aimpoints or Holo sights. I have used Tasco and simmons. I have to say though the Tasco shotgun red dot I have mounted on my 870 seems to work well but then I have that sighted in for short range and for shot not slugs. though I suppose it would work ok for that also. Jim
Said I never had much use for one, never said I didn't know how to use it.

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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2004, 08:26:12 AM »
jh45gun,

I also have the same restrictions in Utah.  My brother uses a Simmons Red Dot scope and loves it.  I hate it terribly.  Way too big of a dot and too bright.

I have normally just used a good peep sight and been very happy with the results.  I just bought a new Knight Wolverine 209 and installed a Burris 1X XER scope on it.  I am very happy with the results.  The scope is  bright, especially compared to the Swift, Simmons and Tasco 1x power scopes I have looked through.  The Simmons and Tasco were similar to looking through a Kalidescope.  Terrible blurriness on the edges and lots of distortion.  

I liked the Nikon 1x scope, the Burris is essentially the same brightness to my eyes and I liked the Burris crosshairs better than the Nikon's.  The Nikon did appear to have a larger field of view though.  I also liked the Sightron 1x scope.  Not quite as bright as the Burris and Nikon but still ALOT better than the cheaper ones.  I liked the true Duplex style crosshair on the Burris the best and they seemed thinner (thus more precise at long distances) and this is why I bought it.  

It dialed in quickly at the range and the adjustments seemed precise.  FWIW, this was my experience in looking at the 1x scopes for my personal muzzleloader uses.

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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2004, 12:07:25 PM »
Quote from: Firehawk
I liked the Nikon 1x scope, the Burris is essentially the same brightness to my eyes and I liked the Burris crosshairs better than the Nikon's.  The Nikon did appear to have a larger field of view though.  I also liked the Sightron 1x scope.  Not quite as bright as the Burris and Nikon but still ALOT better than the cheaper ones.  I liked the true Duplex style crosshair on the Burris the best and they seemed thinner (thus more precise at long distances) and this is why I bought it.  It dialed in quickly at the range and the adjustments seemed precise.  Firehawk


That's good coverage, Firehawk. I've had great luck with Sightron everything, little experience with Burris, and poor results with Nikon almost-everything in scopes.

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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2004, 01:35:58 PM »
Randy:

Does Sightron have a web sites?

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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2004, 01:58:23 PM »

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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2004, 02:59:44 PM »
SIGHTRON SII 3-9X42 PLEX RETICLE Matte or Silver for $199
Product #Z20003.

http://www.tjgeneralstore.com/sightron_scopes.htm
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2004, 03:08:06 PM »
Wow! There's a bargain. :grin:  :lol:  :grin:

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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2004, 12:16:54 AM »
I guess my only disagreement would be in the top catagory where I would substitute the Zeiss Conquest for the Bushnell Elite. The Conquest has more user friendly features and equal if not slightly better optics  combined with better eye relief. Would agree with the others although I have no experience with the lowest price range and would have to take Randys word on the Millet. For me it would also be a wash between the Sightron and Weaver Grand Slam. Just my 2 cents.......

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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2004, 03:13:53 AM »
That's a tough one, Woodseye. Probably the better Conquest is the 3.5 x 10, which jumps out of the sub - $399 bracket. If there is such as scope with too much eye relief-- the Conquest 3 x 9 is it, to the level where it can be difficult to mount on some muzzleloaders.

It's close-- but the nudge went to the Elite 4200 2.5 x 10 due to RainGuard, the titanium tube, wider power range, and lower street price.

I have to give you great credit for calling my attention to Zeiss Conquests as remarkably good hunting scopes, and to a lot of other shooters as well. They are superb scopes, and constant eye relief scopes at a high quality and reasonable price level that has given Leupold absolute fits. They are fabulous scopes.