Explosions in WTC 7

[billy_56081]

Explosions? I thought it was thermite?

 
Now were making progress. Billy says thermite brought down the WTC. Why would thermite rule out explosions? Could not both be possible?

I am not saying thermite brought it down, I am questioning the ever changing story.  No one seems to know.

[Lost Farmboy]

I guess my assumption is that the people or person that produced the fake video, did it to assist in the process of insisting the towers had been blown up with an explosive device. Do you think I'm wrong on this point or do you think they faked the video showing explosions as a motive to disprove the theory of an explosive device?

 


I think you are wrong. Your first assumption is what the creator(s) of the faked video wanted you to think. If a truther faked the video they would not put a UFO in it. They hoped that the truthers would widely except the video as truth. Then use the UFO to discredit them. The plan didn't work because the truthers analyzed the video and immediately declared it a fake. Those seeking the truth are much harder to fool than those who think they know everything.


The government has been using UFO disinfo to coverup advanced aircraft for decades. Not saying it was the government, but could have been. The chances that it was done to discreadit the 911 truth movement is much higher than it being done by a truther or practical joker.

[Casull]

Those seeking the truth are much harder to fool than those who think they know everything.

 

 
Lost Farmboy, you crack me up.  It was you that started this thread and posted the video.  Ooops, until you found out it was faked.  LOL

[Cabin4]

Okay, I understand your point.

[kinslayer1965]

Just getting caught up on something that needed to be adressed.

Quote from Lost Farmboy
 
"The scoffers responded with nothing but jokes. No evidence. No science. No thought. A truther responds with evidence, science and thought. That is very interesting."

For clarification purposes I am going to assume you consider me to be a "scoffer" and yourself a "truther".
 
I a "scoffer" have posted links to scientific studies and published papers from universities such as MIT and Purdue as well as quite a bit of technical information from an aeronautical webb site. So much in fact that you yourself accused me of not possibly being able to reseach that much info in so short a time.

Where as you a "truther" have given us a faked video and an "illuminati" angle to look at.
 
Hmmmmnnn

[Lost Farmboy]

Just getting caught up on something that needed to be adressed.

Quote from Lost Farmboy
 
"The scoffers responded with nothing but jokes. No evidence. No science. No thought. A truther responds with evidence, science and thought. That is very interesting."

For clarification purposes I am going to assume you consider me to be a "scoffer" and yourself a "truther".
 
I a "scoffer" have posted links to scientific studies and published papers from universities such as MIT and Purdue as well as quite a bit of technical information from an aeronautical webb site. So much in fact that you yourself accused me of not possibly being able to reseach that much info in so short a time.

Where as you a "truther" have given us a faked video and an "illuminati" angle to look at.
 
Hmmmmnnn

 
The statement was for this thread. It was not pointed at you, but the other side in as a whole. You did not post any science, evidence or thought about the video posted. What the other side did post was jokes and ridicule. On this thread.


Jokes and ridicule are the most common response from the other side.


You are one of the few that does post evidence, however you never comment on why you agree with it.


You had an opportunity to analyze and respond to the video posted with your own thoughts. You chose to respond with jokes and ridicule with the rest of your side.


The truther side analyzed the video. They compared it to other known videos. Then found it was the same video only reversed and edited. They quickly exposed it as a fake. No jokes. No ridicule. Just facts and evidence.


I am an investigator. I have a diploma, license and real world experience to prove it. That is why I deal with evidence, not jokes. I look for evidence that would stand up in court. It is hard to find, but there is enough to convict very high people in out government. It will never happen because the criminals control the Justice system. Our only hope is the court of public opinion.


Your side will never change. I know that. You minds are closed. This forum is not in a vacuum. There are many open minded lurkers who view this forum. They never post just lurk. Some of them have open minds. Those are the ones I hope will search for and find the truth.


The entire world is in great danger because the American people are asleep at the wheel. Our country has become the titanic. They will not see the truth until we hit the iceberg.

[kinslayer1965]

Just getting caught up on something that needed to be adressed.

Quote from Lost Farmboy
 
"The scoffers responded with nothing but jokes. No evidence. No science. No thought. A truther responds with evidence, science and thought. That is very interesting."

For clarification purposes I am going to assume you consider me to be a "scoffer" and yourself a "truther".
 
I a "scoffer" have posted links to scientific studies and published papers from universities such as MIT and Purdue as well as quite a bit of technical information from an aeronautical webb site. So much in fact that you yourself accused me of not possibly being able to reseach that much info in so short a time.

Where as you a "truther" have given us a faked video and an "illuminati" angle to look at.
 
Hmmmmnnn

 
The statement was for this thread. It was not pointed at you, but the other side in as a whole. You did not post any science, evidence or thought about the video posted. What the other side did post was jokes and ridicule. On this thread. When our side post information it is either trashed or ignored. If you will remember you had some choice words about my posting so much info in so short a time.


Jokes and ridicule are the most common response from the other side. They come from both sides. You just think it is funny when it comes from your side and mean when it comes from our sife.


You are one of the few that does post evidence, however you never comment on why you agree with it. I have posted and spoke of my beliefs until I am blue in the face. Why you keep saying that is beyond me. I didn't find little parts of the stuff I posted believable, I found the info as a whole made sense and was believable.


You had an opportunity to analyze and respond to the video posted with your own thoughts. You chose to respond with jokes and ridicule with the rest of your side. I did not need to analyze anything. That video was an abvious fake and had no evedetiary value whatsoever. That being said maybe I should have responded differently.


The truther side analyzed the video. They compared it to other known videos. Then found it was the same video only reversed and edited. They quickly exposed it as a fake. No jokes. No ridicule. Just facts and evidence. I hope they didn't have to spend too much time analyzing that video. I hope this doesnt come as a surprise but people seldom make fun of the people on there own team. I might also add that I have yet to call anybodies post or info "BS" as some of my post have been called by people on your team.


I am an investigator. I have a diploma, license and real world experience to prove it. That is why I deal with evidence, not jokes. I look for evidence that would stand up in court. It is hard to find, but there is enough to convict very high people in out government. It will never happen because the criminals control the Justice system. Our only hope is the court of public opinion. I am a project manager/estimator for an electrical contractor in South Florida. I have a license, diploma and almost 30 years of experience in the construction industry. I have friends who are architects, structural engineers, general contractors, and electrical engineers that I deal with on a personal and professional level each and every day. I know the work that goes into building something from the ground up. All of this has led me to have an opinion about the towers and 9/11 and it is this. I am amazed those buildings stayed up as long as they did. I was amazed on the day it happened and nothing has changed. The more info I dig up an find just solidifies my opinion even more.


Your side will never change. I know that. You minds are closed. This forum is not in a vacuum. There are many open minded lurkers who view this forum. They never post just lurk. Some of them have open minds. Those are the ones I hope will search for and find the truth. My mind is closed? I doubt seriously you have a spent as much time as I have reading the info TM7 and other truthers have posted. Most of my info I have posted I found while researching the stuff they post. I have been called many things but no one has ever been able to call me "closeminded".


The entire world is in great danger because the American people are asleep at the wheel. Our country has become the titanic. They will not see the truth until we hit the iceberg. "Just because you are lost doesn't mean your compass is broken". One of my fathers favorite sayings which I was in my mid thirties before I truly understood what it meant. I don't care for direction we are heading and will vote my conscious on election day but I don't think we are the "Titanic" yet.

[Cabin4]

What do you think of these categories:
 
1. Those that think the government played no role at all
2. Those that think the governemnt played a coordination role with the terrorists
3. Those that think the government did the entire 9-11 job
4. Those that think the the government is hiding facts to protect those that were asleep at the wheel in the responsable agencies designed to protect us from this type of attack.
 
I think I sit in camp #4 for sure. Do I think there may be some of #2, perhaps I guess that may be possible.
 

[Casull]

...It is so far fetched that Moslem leaders wouldn't see such an attack as a US justification for GWOT and inasion it is beyond the pale..

 
 
Is it really now?  Would they also not think attacks such as the first World Trade Center bombing, or the USS Cole bombing, or the Beirut bombings, or any one of the many other such bombings might not also serve as justification?
 
 
 

examples of other real world freefall symetrical 'collapses' from random damage and random fires don't really exist.

 
 
Well, since I'm not aware of any other buildings being rammed by 747 airliners (your so-called "random damage"), it might be difficult to find other examples.
 
 
 
The above is part of the reason I find so much of the so-called truthers speculations to be unbelievable.  They tend to ignore rational explanations that do not work with their preconceived notions.  It's usually easy to see conspiracies if that is what you are looking for or want to see.  Sort of like the old list of coincidences between Lincoln and Kennedy.  If you have thousands of bits of information, finding a couple of hundred that MIGHT have other explanations is pretty easy.

[BUGEYE]

well since TM7 is an ex-moderator, I'm hoping that I will be allowed to post here.  I'm with cabin4 in that I'm in camp #4.
I believe that people underestimated OBL.  he WAS an engineer.
and I think the reason they got away with the twin towers thing is because we were too complacent.
we never thought someone could attack this country in such a way.  we need to realize that some of the muslims are not dummies and they are well financed and their main goal is to destroy us infidels.
I have read kinslayers info and TM7s info and kinslayers comes from reputable sources while TM7s comes mainly from two sources that are so outlandish that it is laughable.
that's why folks ridicule him.
when Dale Jr. won a race in the #3 car, people said it was fixed.  but think about how many people that would have involved.
same with 9-11, too many people would have known for the government to be involved.
the terrorists got lucky. no more, no less.

[Casull]

Even Wall Streeters knew shorting airline stocks ahead of attack...those records should be tracked...why haven't those transactions been tracked?

 
Maybe TPTB are too busy following up on the fact that Kennedy had a secretary named Lincoln and Lincoln had a secretary named Kennedy.   

[BUGEYE]

TM7, it's kinda like when cops catch a crook.  if they've got the goods on him, there's no need to look any further. it's a waste of resources to look in every hole when it's not needed.

[BUGEYE]

TM7, it's kinda like when cops catch a crook.  if they've got the goods on him, there's no need to look any further. it's a waste of resources to look in every hole when it's not needed.

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yeah well,,,that's your opinion.  Nobody caught is my opinion, but plenty blamed fits the bigger scenario.... TM7
 
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opinions and other body parts.  most of the perps were killed in the plane crashes and some others have been killed and imprisoned.  for blame, see cabin4s #4.
as algore said, the debate is over.

[kinslayer1965]

TM7,
 
I look forward to reading your post now that the leash is off. I enjoy a good zinger now and then.
 
I appreciate your thoughts on my being moderator but I am waiting for C4s run for the presidency and hoping for an upper level cabinet position.
 
CR

[BUGEYE]

whining to admin..... that has a familiar ring......... oh yeah, that's how I got kicked out of here.

[Cabin4]

TM7, someone told me a long time ago, best not to try and drive forward looking in that rear view mirror!