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Offline crazy frenchman

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« on: January 18, 2005, 01:44:20 PM »
:D Looking for site with info on making paper cartridegs for a brown bess. Thanks to all for help in advance
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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2005, 03:46:29 PM »
Hello crazy frenchman, This is the email address for the Michigan volunteers. Just scroll down to the "making paper cartridges" link. It is about the 4th link from the bottom.   www.17thmicoe.org
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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2005, 03:56:35 PM »
As Paul Harvey says, page two. They are talking re-enactment blanks, but just put a lubed bullet at the end of your former before rolling the paper. I use them, and they work well.  Cowpox
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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2005, 10:27:24 PM »
If a paper cartridge was made for a 50 cal. flintlock rifle, using a round ball, would the paper be used as the bullet patch? If not how would the patch be assembled in the cartridge, and then loaded? How would lube be used?                                   Thank you, Woodbutcher
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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2005, 02:39:43 AM »
:D Woodbutcher go to this site http://www.17thmicoe.org/ thanks to cowpox for the information.
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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2005, 12:26:16 PM »
I did go to the site, but it still leaves me with the same question. Brown Bess is smoothbore, Civil War rifles use lubed minies. I'm OK so far.
Doesn't a round ball in a rifle have different requirements? Don't you still need that lubed patch?
  Paper cartridges would be the thing for flintlock season, I'd like them much better than a speed loader.                                  Woodbutcher
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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2005, 01:25:06 PM »
Woodbutcher, you are right. You need that patch. Probably why a paper cartridge is not used with a roundball rifle. Maybe a paper cartridge with a pre-lubed, patched ball wrapped in something like plastic food wrap might work. Just a thought, in case you feel like experimenting.
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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2005, 02:44:41 PM »
Gentlemen, thank you!
 
 Your posts really answer what I've wanted all along. Been trying to reinvent the wheel and tripped over the obvious. Paper cartridges and a loading block. Problem solved!
 How long have people been using these things now? H-mmm, don't answer that. I need to spend more time shootin and messin with my gear!
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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2005, 06:47:12 AM »
Paper cartridges were used in military service in Sweden in the early-mid 1600s.

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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2005, 05:30:54 AM »
From my rather jaded point of view, anything other than a paper cartridge just isn't proper with a Brown Bess.  I rolled mine using 2 complete wraps of recycled news print, a .715 round ball and 85gr GOEX FFFg.  Dipped the paper tube in melted Crisco before adding powder.  Using the smaller ball loading was never a problem, didn't need a short starter and could easily load with the factory supplied steel ram rod.  Rip open the tail of the paper cartridge, dump the powder down the bore then thumb the ball into the muzzle with the paper still wrapped around it as a patch.  Just as long as I did my part, that ol' Pedersoli would hit the mark every time.  The only problem was if the paper cartridges were approaching 6 months old.... by then the Crisco would have soaked through the paper wrap and contaminate the powder.  Even more fun was adding three or six .345 round ball on top followed by a thin overshot card... buck and ball was also a traditional load with the Brown Bess.
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« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2005, 02:05:07 PM »
:-D   Evil Dog...................good post.I am going to attempt some of that info in my Bess.  Never thought of using the news print,but have been using the large zig-zag papers and a dowel to form a powder colum and then dump that downbarrell,......was using like a tied patch around the ball also.....also attempting to reinvent the wheel.  Lotsa fun tho.........and whn that critter goes off lotsa smoke..........stay safe...KIng
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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2005, 08:18:09 PM »
Hey King..... the tied cartridge is just too much trouble to make.... a plain ol' glue stick works real well for keeping it all together.  Bought the recycled news print in tablets at the local Office Depot, 9 x 12 sheets.
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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2005, 03:10:01 PM »
:D Cool..........thanks for the info...soon as I get near one of those places I will pick up a pad of it..............think I might be able to put some of it to a little use......stay safe.King
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« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2005, 03:00:27 AM »
:grin: Thanks for all the help!
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« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2005, 01:51:58 PM »
Try a little creative playing with most any word processing program... the end goal is to run a sheet of recycled news print through the printer and have it come out with cutting lines for your individual cartridge papers.  Can also print them with powder charge info and the like if you want.  Really looks neat when rolled and glued.
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« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2005, 03:55:57 PM »
I use the yellow post-em pads.I would soak them in saltpeter and when they are dry.I would wrap one around one of those permanent markers they are tapered.I use a .730 round ball it stops almost at the bottom,I fold over the ends and use super glue on the end.Then you put your powder charge in the tube and fold over the end and apply a drop of glue.All you have to due is rip off the end of the paper and dump the charge down yoursmoke pole.Because of the .730 ball the fit is good.farrerhaven.
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« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2005, 03:46:49 AM »
One major problem that I noted with the paper cartridges was fouling.  I tried most of the usual lube formulas with little success.  4 or 5 shots was about all I could get before having to clean out built up fouling.  Usually a pretty hard crusty carbon looking build up.  Tried both 730 and 715 round ball, it didn't seem to make that much difference... could only get a couple more shots with the smaller ball before having to scrub out all that built up gunk.  Finally I tried plain ol' melted Crisco.... that with the 715 round ball solved the problem.  My normal load was 85 grains FFFg and coujld get upwards of 40 shots down range with no cleaning required.  As noted before though, using melted Crisco results in a somewhat limited shelf life for the paper cartridges... after a while the Crisco would soak its way through the paper and contaminate the powder charge.... fizzle fire is so much fun.
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« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2005, 12:18:29 AM »
Evil Dog, Like you mentioned, I was having fouling/ramming problems until I found a slick little trick in the shooting tips section in the back of an old 1971 Dixie Gun Works catalog. Just put a dab of Gatofeo's formula (made stiff for hot weather), or SPG black powder lube in the hollow base of that minnie ball. Don't know if it is necessary, but I cover it with a disk of waxed paper. The fouling stays soft, ramming is easy, and accuracy stays good for many shots. When shooting at the range, or plinking, I don't use the paper cartridges, and just use an old cake decorator to shoot some Crisco in the base.   Cowpox
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« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2011, 10:41:37 AM »
Quote from: Cowpox on January 18, 2005, 03:46:29 PM
Hello crazy frenchman, This is the email address for the Michigan volunteers. Just scroll down to the "making paper cartridges" link. It is about the 4th link from the bottom.   www.17thmicoe.org

DANG this site no longer exists.... :-\
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