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Offline pugsnotdrugs

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30-30 or 357 max
« on: September 21, 2011, 09:05:16 PM »
what would you go with the 30-30 or 357 mag reamed to 357 max? and if you dont mind tell me why.

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Re: 30-30 or 357 max
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2011, 09:27:10 PM »
30/30
1. It's available with no rechambering
2. Ammo is available everywhere.
3. Will do anything a 357max will do including 200+ grain bullits.
4. Reloading stuff for 30/30 is cheaper.
5. Can be loaded with spire point bullets to make a decent long range shooter.


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Re: 30-30 or 357 max
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2011, 12:46:15 AM »
I have both and I am going to make the obvious suggestion that you get both too. Buy the 30-30 and send in the frame for a 357 barrel. You can not get a 357 and send it in for a 30-30 barrel. If I absolutely had to pick one, it would be the 30-30, especially if I did not reload. Ammo for the 30-30 is any where ammunition is sold and is cheap compared to the 357 Max. On the other hand if you are from my neck of the woods, the 357 Max is OK to hunt deer with, but not the 30-30. They are very equal in performance, near identical velocities with equal weight bullets. As far as reloading is concerned they are about equal in cost, but cases can be a problem with the 357 Max at times. Personally, I laid in a life time supply, so I do not have to worry about that. You really can not go wrong with either one, but if push came to shove and I was not restricted to the 357 Max for deer, the 30-30 would be my choice.

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Re: 30-30 or 357 max
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2011, 02:20:26 AM »
The one thing you can't do with the .30-30, if you don't reload, is shoot three different calibers, .38s, mags and maxis.  Patty and I shoot .38s by the hundred.  It doesn't get much more inexpensive than that, and you can buy mags and .38s anywhere ammo is sold.  We too have both .30-30 and .357....twice.

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Re: 30-30 or 357 max
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2011, 02:47:16 AM »
WELCOME Pugsnotdrugs!!
 Like many of the guys, I too have both calibers. I FAR prefer the Maxi.

 Now, The 30-30 is a good one and has many generations of hunters singing its praises. It started the smokeless powder calibers we enjoy today, at say about 1895. You cannot argue it’s a great deer caliber. Its been argued its killed more deer than all others combined. It has as many nay sayers calling it a great wounder. Hopefully, we all know that’s simply poor marksman ship or a poor hunter making the claims. It IS a poor choice for bullets above 170 Grains for a number of reasons. First its vel is lo and powder cap minimal for larger bullets. Its also a problem as all heavier bullets are designed for calibers generating higher vel and energy making calibers shooting them slower fine for targets but with FMJ performance on game. NOT ADVISEABLE. The 30-30 shoots a 150 Grain bullet at almost 2400 form the top loadings and 2200 from top 170 Grain loads.
Its capable of excellent accuracy. With proper bullets, and with in responsible distances, the 30-30 is an excellent choice for light big game..

The 357 Maximum is a new comer. It started life in the mid 1980's, say 1983 IIRC. Its stats are by and large from hand guns and many of those from vented revolver barrels. Fire it from a Contender and performance jumps, fire it from a carbine Contender or H&R barrel and performance soars. It shoots a 180 Grain bullet at near 2400 fps in top loadings. But it does so with a superior .357/.358 diameter and weight bullet. It’s an excellent choice for medium big game with in range limitations. It will shoot the 158 grains at better then 2500 fps. So while it beats the 30-30 in velocity its not head and shoulders above it. But the diameter increase is something many do not take into consideration. We have many people who see the big advantage the 35 + calibers have on game. Its something that is not easily measurable.

 With in the same constraints as the 30-30 say 200 yards, Comparing the two on paper is pretty much two sides of the same coin. But when you look into the diameter differences, the 357 Maximum is superior.

Now the maxi is pretty much a hand loading proposition for these loadings as the factory support for this excellent cartridge is lacking to say the least. The 30-30 is a buy it almost anywhere caliber. The re-chamber of the magnum to maximum may seem a big or expensive ordeal. It is NOT, the reamer is available right here. It takes less then an hour and is EASILY “doable” by most anyone! Brass IS available and even a active shooter will have nearly a lifetime of brass with just a hundred cases or so. PLUS as Peter already mentioned, it will still shoot magnums as well as 38 Specials just as nice and can be. Something completely beyond the realm of the 30-30.

 They are pretty closely matched. You would do well with either, I prefer the 357 Maximum.

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Re: 30-30 or 357 max
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2011, 02:59:59 AM »
I'd say 30-30 if you are only getting one.  Do you reload?

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Re: 30-30 or 357 max
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2011, 07:48:14 AM »
I really think the 30-30 is more useful, but I have 3 357 Maxis (hmmmmm  go figure)
 Both are quite useful if you reload, if you do not reload there is only one choice, the 30-30.
Factory ammo for the 30-30 is much more available and in a greater range of bullet weights
 Re-loaders have an even greater choice of bullet weights since the Handi is not limited to usual 30-30 bullets.30 cal bullets come in so many weights from 90 gr to 250gr. (but your Handi may not like the ones on the low & high weight ends)But in the end it is whichever you want, both will do an excellent job with proper bullet placement.
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Re: 30-30 or 357 max
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2011, 12:25:17 PM »
.357 Mag as is, easy to reload which carbide dies, I can cast a bucket of bullets from wheel weights for almost free, powder choices are many and it doesnt use much. Oh, reaming would always be a decent notion, but I wouldnt gain much in usefulness for my shooting. And 38Spls will drop in fine as is too.
It just dont get much easier than that unless you want to only shoot rimfires.
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Re: 30-30 or 357 max
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2011, 03:01:30 PM »
I sold my 30-30 Handi and used the money to buy a 357 Handi so you can guess which one I'd choose. ;)  The 357 is cheaper to reload and it's way more versatile.
 
 
 
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Re: 30-30 or 357 max
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2011, 06:37:36 PM »
The max is what I would get. If you run out or misplace ammo on hunt you can find 357 mag ammo easily. Just learn point of impact and go. Good Luck

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Re: 30-30 or 357 max
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2011, 09:36:57 PM »
thanks guy, i do roll my own and i live in ky so i am not restricted to straight wall pistol cartridges, i do like being a little different so the 357 max does appeal to me.
what i really want is something i can put a Williams peep sight on and plink out to say 200 yards or so and deer hunt to maybe about 150 (i live in eastern ky so long shots are almost impossible) i know that the .35 supposed to be as deadly as lightning on game. and after some thinking i could get the 30-30 complete rifle and get the 357 barrel after the fact... thanks guys for you input

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Re: 30-30 or 357 max
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2011, 12:29:50 AM »
.45-70 pretty deadly on game and every deer I've shot drops like lightning.  ;)  just sayin...  ;)
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Re: 30-30 or 357 max
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2011, 02:20:38 AM »
thanks guy, i do roll my own and i live in ky so i am not restricted to straight wall pistol cartridges, i do like being a little different so the 357 max does appeal to me.
what i really want is something i can put a Williams peep sight on and plink out to say 200 yards or so and deer hunt to maybe about 150 (i live in eastern ky so long shots are almost impossible) i know that the .35 supposed to be as deadly as lightning on game. and after some thinking i could get the 30-30 complete rifle and get the 357 barrel after the fact... thanks guys for you input
EXCELLENT choice!! WELCOME to your next obsession... ;)
 
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Re: 30-30 or 357 max
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2011, 03:03:10 AM »
You have made an excellent choice ;D You can always add the 357 barrel to the 30-30, but you can't add a 30-30 barrel to the 357. Then you will have both, you will not be sorry. The only hard part will be which one to use...which one???

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