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Model 1858 or 1861 Rifle Musket
« on: September 23, 2011, 06:34:09 PM »
How many of you shoot or hunt with the Mod 1858 or Mod 1861 rifle musket?
Loads , experience.etc.!
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Re: Model 1858 or 1861 Rifle Musket
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2011, 04:00:12 AM »
I have an 1853 Enfield repro I'm shooting.  I've picked up a lot of info on this gun and others at the Research Press forum http://www.researchpress.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl   "Managing the Enfield" might be of particular interest for the 1858.  Do you already have these or trying to decide which to buy?   
 
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Re: Model 1858 or 1861 Rifle Musket
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2011, 09:25:09 AM »
Trying to decide which to buy!
Got to see an d handle an original Mod !855 last week, but have always leaned towards the Mod 1858.
 What are your present load parameters that you are currently using?
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Re: Model 1858 or 1861 Rifle Musket
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2011, 12:58:32 PM »
Right now I'm still sorting mine out.  Took the barrel out today and bedded it.  I'm going to try to shoot it later.  If I could find one reasonable, a 1858 Parker Hale would be my first choice. They are the creme de la creme in the military muzzleloader target crowd as far as I can tell.
I've been researching these for a while and apparently getting a bullet that fits your barrel is paramount to accuracy.  I'm shooting a Lee "original" minie...I'm looking for a Lyman 575213 or the Lyman 57213PH (parker hale) to replace it with.  I've shot three different loads with the Lee, none of which have been spectacular (pie plate size at 50yds), but then the barrel wasn't bedded. The breech wasn't resting on anything, the barrel was being supported by the tang.  I smoked the barrel over my tiki torch then put it back in the stock to see where the carbon would be deposited, and it was just touching sporadically on the little ridge in the middle of the stock.
I put a thin walnut shim in under the breech and put it back in the stock and it left a carbon mark down the middle...the breech is bedded on it.  Had to try a couple of thin shims I cut yesterday to find one that fit.  Then I removed the ridge except where the bands are.   We'll see if there is any improvement.  They said on the other forum it would string shots across the target if it wasn't bedded good which is exactly what it was doing.  Some matches don't allow "modern" (glass) bedding if that is an interest to you.  That's why I went with the walnut shim.  We'll see.
Check out that forum...those guys are all about these kinds of rifles.
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Re: Model 1858 or 1861 Rifle Musket
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2011, 05:17:08 PM »
Yeah, bagdadjoe,
That is a good forum!
Sounds like  bedding the barrel turned into quite a project.
Will be interested to see how accuracy is improved!
Who manufactured your Enfield? I see where Pedersoli has come out with its new version of the Mod 1861 and planned to come out with more different vintage versions in the next 1.5 years. On their website they have a video demonstrating the Mod 1861 and show a neat bullet sizing apparatus and a bullet greasing device. First time I have seen these!
Anyway hope your barrel bedding effort pays off.
 
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Re: Model 1858 or 1861 Rifle Musket
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2011, 05:38:37 PM »
Mine is an Armi, I believe.  I just posted a shot group a few minutes ago.  I think it's a definite improvement, starting to come together rather than slung to the far ends. It's hard to say from just a few shots so I save all my targets so that I have something to compare to. I preferred the Enfields because of the sights which are elevation adjustable to 800 yds.
Here's accurizing an Armi in a nutshell http://www.mlagb.com/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1313353950  I used wood bedding instead of the glass he mentions here.
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