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My "kit" guns. A project in progress.
« on: September 29, 2011, 07:46:02 AM »
Having sold, or passed down, all of my hunting rifles (I gave up big game hunting some years back due to age and health related reasons) I felt I needed a fun gun for plinking and target shooting that would serve a multi-purpose role as well. It had to be .357 magnum to go with the S&W m36 .38 Spl. and Ruger SP101, .357 mag. that I already owned. I'm all setup up for reloading the .38 and .357 so to keep it simple a .357 rifle was my choice for caliber. I favor single shot rifles for their simplicity, safety and reliability. I looked at the Encore and Rossi Wizard before deciding to go with the H&R Handi-Rifle Synthetic.
 
Cabela's just happened to have a slightly used one for a penny under $200 that I swear had never been fired. It followed me home. Having a Bushnell red dot sitting unused in my gun cabinet, I quickly installed it and went out to my indoor range to test fire my "new" rifle. My indoor range is really a handgun range and is limited to 50' max (if I take all the vehicles out). Results were very disappointing, at first. Trigger pull was hard (10+#). and shots were scattered all over the paper at 40'. Being an optimist, I really felt I could salvage this rifle and make it fit my purposes.
 
It met my carbide cut-off saw and 5.5" of barrel bit the dust. Then the scope base followed and a 12" picatinny was mounted in its place. On the picatinny, using UTG cam QD rings are either a Weaver 4X scout scope or the Bushnell red dot. Forward of the forearm is a under barrel mounted laser.
 
After several hundred rounds of all types of ammo, it is now shooting as accurately as I can hold it. I did find that the original scope base was not mounted correctly. The holes were not lined up and two screws were angled to compensate. Only one screw was tight. The new picatinny rail, of course, solved this problem and this is, undoubtedly, the reason for the bad groups early on. The trigger pull has improved with use, also. It is now around 7# and is still clean and crisp with no creep. Not perfect, but in the fair to good range.
With a finished rifle and a Ruger SP101 to match, I needed a good case. A UTG 34" Covert soft case was perfect. It holds the rifle, scope, red dot, Ruger SP101 w/laser grips, ammo, cleaning kit, holster, sling, tools, spare batteries, GPS, compass, knife, sling, and more with room to spare. Perfect for the motor home/camper.
 
I may make more changes to the rifle....I can see a paint job to replace the blue finish to ward off rust, perhaps, and maybe a different mount for the laser so a flashlight could be added off to the side. Perhaps some picatinney mounted "iron" sights...although this really doesn't seem feasible with such a short sighting plane.
 
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Re: My "kit" guns. A project in progress.
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2011, 07:53:00 AM »
Welcome Jack!   ;D
 
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Re: My "kit" guns. A project in progress.
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2011, 07:58:12 AM »
Wow cool set up!- Hello and Welcome to GBO.  It was nice to see your new gun. Thanks -thejanitor

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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2011, 08:10:34 AM »
That is awesome. May just give me the inspiration to chop mine.
 
 

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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2011, 09:33:16 AM »
Welcome to GBO! I love it, I know it's not for everyone, but then again everyone has different needs/uses.
What 12' piccitiny rail are you using there? Got a couple close up pics on that? I have been looking to put one on a project I got going...
You could always mount up a couple short rails on the end of the forearm, I have done this before on a shortened Survivor forearm.
Read up on the FAQs, you can definitely get that trigger lighter if you want it.
 
 
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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2011, 10:25:43 AM »
Wow great job love the pic rail please tell us who made it, BUIS would be cool , or just irons on the pic rail, great setup for a pack gun more pictures please I am drooling!!!
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Re: My "kit" guns. A project in progress.
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2011, 10:26:20 AM »
Welcome to GBO! I love it, I know it's not for everyone, but then again everyone has different needs/uses.
What 12' piccitiny rail are you using there? Got a couple close up pics on that? I have been looking to put one on a project I got going...
You could always mount up a couple short rails on the end of the forearm, I have done this before on a shortened Survivor forearm.
Read up on the FAQs, you can definitely get that trigger lighter if you want it.
 
 
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I found the 12" picatinny rail on ebay. It was drilled for #10 cap screws and I used 10-32 Cap screws. They are black and match very well. I drilled out the original hole in the barrel nearest the chamber and tapped it for 10-32. Then drilled the forward hole about half way through and tapped it with a plug and bottoming tap. I then cut a 1.5" piece of 3/16" aluminum flat bar the width of the rail to make a spacer at the forward end of the rail. I used the cut-off barrel section to make a scraper to radius the spacer to match the barrel profile.
 
The trigger gets better with age. I'm considering sending it in for a 20 ga. barrel fitting and I've heard they will do a trigger job for little to nothing.....Not sure that's true, but maybe worth asking about.
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« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2011, 10:52:17 AM »
Wow great job love the pic rail please tell us who made it, BUIS would be cool , or just irons on the pic rail, great setup for a pack gun more pictures please I am drooling!!!
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Thanks. A quick search on eBay and I found this one. Similar to mine, but drilled in several places for mounting. Mine was drilled ends only.  Mine was also 12" long, but 9" would have been sufficient for my purposes. http://www.ebay.com/itm/AR-11-HANDGUARD-PICATINNY-WEAVER-RAIL-RIFLE-HUNT-/170692911736?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27be172278
 
Here's another...more like the one I used. http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-X-0-40-Picatinny-Medium-Size-Blank-Universal-Rail-/270809898867?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f0d871f73
 
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« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2011, 12:22:02 PM »
Welcome, Jack. Sweet set up you have there. Makes my brain itch!
Thanks for the inspiration!
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« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2011, 03:14:04 PM »
Cool lookin pack gun.  Is that barrel still 16"+ ?  Was my only thought as I looked at it...
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Re: My "kit" guns. A project in progress.
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2011, 03:54:06 PM »
Cool lookin pack gun.  Is that barrel still 16"+ ?  Was my only thought as I looked at it...

Thanks.  16.5" actually. Overall, 32". I may do away with the recoil pad (since there isn't any to speak of) and make a butt plate. That will shorten it another ~3/4"-7/8".
 
One very nice thing about the .357 rifle.....I can load 148 gr. HBWC over 3 gr. Trailboss and shoot it all day long without bothering the neighbors. It just pops......no ear plugs necessary and very accurate out to 25 yds. The closest neighbor is ~100 yards. I've set up an indoor range in my shop and can get 50'+ indoors in the Winter. About 50 yards outdoors is possible.
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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2011, 11:17:37 AM »
Working on an all-around target load to shoot in my home shop where I've setup a pistol range, I tested some 148 gn HBWC's over 3 gn of Trailboss this morning. Some would call this a mouse load.....it is a pleasure to shoot in both guns.
 
  Two targets with HBWC over 3 gr. Trailboss. First one using rifle on top of a tool box and pillow at 50' (measured). I fired all of these shot in rotation (one shot at each spot until 25 fired (5 shots at each spot). Using scope. It's shooting a little high at 50', but that's good for longer ranges. The second is the same ammo fired in Ruger SP101 at 25' standing two hand hold, laser, double action at about 1 sec. intervals. Then two rounds from the rifle standing off hand at 50'.     
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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2011, 11:46:51 AM »
I got a question about straightening up the scope mount. Maybe I missed a step, but anyway here it goes.  Did you drill new holes in the gun or in the rail to get it straight?  How did you make sure it was lined up when you drilled the new holes?
 
A friend of mine has a Marlin that the bases are crooked on.  He had to use Angle lock rings to get his scope lined up right.  I believe that I have had more than one rifle with this problem, as most of the windage is taken up sighting it in.

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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2011, 12:28:53 PM »
Jack,
 
Nice shooting.  I think that your choise of firearms is well reasoned and thought out.  Good job.
 
 
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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2011, 12:53:44 PM »
Jack,
 
Nice shooting.  I think that your choise of firearms is well reasoned and thought out.  Good job.
 
 
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Thanks. I won't win any competitions, I'm sure, but good enough for most situations, I hope.
 
I got a question about straightening up the scope mount. Maybe I missed a step, but anyway here it goes.  Did you drill new holes in the gun or in the rail to get it straight?  How did you make sure it was lined up when you drilled the new holes?
 
A friend of mine has a Marlin that the bases are crooked on.  He had to use Angle lock rings to get his scope lined up right.  I believe that I have had more than one rifle with this problem, as most of the windage is taken up sighting it in.

I drilled out the rearmost hole (over the chamber) to the larger size (10-32). This is the hole that was off center and drilled a new hole in the barrel to match. I just eyeballed it, but it must be pretty close.....lots of windage adjustment, both ways and it looks straight.
 
 
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« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2011, 02:47:51 PM »
 8)  Thanks for the info!