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Offline mannyrock

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Ever shot the Ruger no. 1 in .357? CHP.
« on: July 27, 2011, 11:33:07 AM »
 
Dear Guys,
 
   I am thinking about gettng a single shot rifle, falling block, in a nice mild caliber, that is cheap to shoot, makes big round holes in the paper, can be used for plinking, and can also be used to take game out to 100 yards.  I have zero interest in handloading.
 
  This has led me to look at the Ruger No. 1A (California Highway Patrol) in .357.
 
   I particulary like the fact that these have the slender stocks, and a full set of sights in the classic style, and what appears to be a full length barrel, not a stubby.
 
   My question is, has anybody out there ever shot one of these?  I know that they are rare, and are considered collectible, so I 'm sure lots of folks have handled them before.
 
  But handling and shooting are two different matters, and I would love to hear from anyone who has shot one.
 
   Regards, Mannyrock
 

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Re: Ever shot the Ruger no. 1 in .357? CHP.
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2011, 03:06:57 PM »
I saw one at the gun show 4 weeks ago man wanted 875.00 was very nice They come in the light sporter with 22 inch barrel and really look good. I see them on Gun Broker from time to time.
 
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Re: Ever shot the Ruger no. 1 in .357? CHP.
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2011, 01:37:37 PM »
A real fun gun and cheap to shoot.  Personally I wouldn't recommend a .357 Mag for deer, altho it definitely will kill one if you pick your shot and in my opinion less than 60 or 70 yards.  I know you said you don't reload, but that rifle rechambered to .357 Maximum makes a heckofa 200 yard rifle, tons of fun.  Goatwhiskers the Elder

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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2011, 05:46:40 AM »
Don't let others kid you, the 357 mag out of a rifle is an easy 100yd gun for up to deer.  Check out Leverguns and see what some are doing with Marlin leverguns and the 357.   Go to 357Maximum.com and see what the Ruger will do when rechambered to 357max.  I did that to mine.
Recoil is easy and I can get a 200gr cast up to 2200fps and have pushed a 160gr to 2600fps with good accuracy.  I have even got a 260gr up to 1750 fps.  I figure the 357 Max. is good to about 220 yds as the bullets start dropping rapidly past 200yds.  IIRC, a +3" at 100 yields a -3" @220yds
 
You won't be disappointed in the Ruger, especially if you rechamber it.  May be time to think about reloading.  A Lee hand press, dies, priming tool and supplies to load the Max. will all fit in a 50cal ammo can, and should be under $100.
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Re: Ever shot the Ruger no. 1 in .357? CHP.
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2011, 12:58:03 PM »
Hiya...
I realize that the post is a few months old, and I may be talking to myself, but so far there has been little response with the information you are seeking.  I have a Ruger #1 in .357 Mag.  Most of them were roll stamped with the CHP logo, but a few made it out of the factory without it.  I believe it was around 1982.  A few years ago I picked up one used, without the logo, at a local gun shop. 

I've gotta tell you, it is a great little rifle.  There is virtually no recoil, and with .38 specials it shoots like a .22.   Mine has preferences, however...It likes the heavy bullets.  It loves 180gr Hornady XTPs, driven hot.  It also likes the Hornady 180gr SSPs, which are flat-based semi-spitzer bullets meant for single-shot handguns, such as the Encore.  It also shoots hard cast 180s and 200s well.  Since there is no magazine or other limit to the OAL, you can load whatever profile bullet you like.  I load the SSPs pretty hot, and there is no chance of mixing them up with revolver loads.  They look odd, though. 

Good hunting loads in the .357 mag will be a specialty item.  Cor-Bon, Federal, and Buffalo Bore make heavy hunting loads with both jacketed and hard-cast bullets.    I prefer to use wide-meplat hard cast bullets.  They will penetrate well, and perform better than you would expect on game.  For whitetail, within reasonable ranges, and carefully placed shots, it would be entirely adequate. 

I hope find one, or have found one already. 

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Schuter

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Re: Ever shot the Ruger no. 1 in .357? CHP.
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2011, 05:43:02 AM »
 
Shuter,
 
    Thanks for the info.
 
     Is your rifle scoped?  If so, do you have problems trying to slip the little .357 rounds into the chamber, in the smallish space between the tang and scope? 
 
    Also, how well does it shoot standard factory 158 grain rounds?
 
    Thanks, Mannyrock

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« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2011, 09:02:49 AM »
 Right now it is wearing an old Weaver steel-tube, straight-pipe K2.5 fixed.  Sometimes I pop it off and drop on a NECG peep sight that is also zeroed for that rifle, depending on the mood I'm in and what I am shooting at.  It also has a stock that was shortened about 1", which turned out just right for that little gun. 
 
 Admittedly, it is a little harder to manipulate the smallish rounds, as compared to full-size rifle rounds.  The scope isn't really the problem.  The cartridge has to be pushed into the saddle in the receiver, over the falling block, and into the chamber.  With pointy rifle cartridges that are longer than the saddle and block, it is just putting a round peg in a round hole.  No problem.  With the shorter .357, my fat thumb gets in the way.  I also shoot wide-nosed bullets that can sometimes hang up while chambering them.  This only becomes an issue if I am trying to load a second round quickly.  I usually don't have to reload quickly, because the jackrabbit is either already dead, or running 40mph away from me through the sagebrush, (at which point I just smile, and go find another, less lucky one).  You can also adjust the extractor to just extract the empty case, or eject it completely, depending on your needs. 
 
 I tested all sorts of ammo through it when I first bought it, both factory and handloads.  The heavier the bullet, the better it shot.  Factory 158s were all about 1.5-2 inches at 100 yards, off the bench with better optics than what it has now.  I believe the Federal brand did the best.  Not too impressive, but adequate for hunting at limited distances.  The 180 grain XTPs and SSPs shoot right at an inch, and that's all I shoot through it now.  Your rifle may have entirely different preferences.
 
 Something to keep in mind:  Most revolver bullets are designed to perform at impact velocities expected from a revolver.  Driving them through a 22" barrel increases the velocity substantially, and that changes the impact dynamics of the bullet.  A 110 or 125 grain revolver bullet at rifle velocities acts more like a grenade than a bullet.  Penetration will be less at higher velocities because the expansion (fragmentation) will be greater and sooner after entry.  A broadside lung shot between the ribs would be fine, but don't expect it to always penetrate to the vitals through a shoulder or a rear quarter.  This is where I rely on mass, not velocity, to carry it through, and a tough enough bullet to retain that mass long enough to reach the vitals.  I realize we are now entering a hotly debated topic, but this is merely my opinion based on my observations. 
 
 Despite its inherent limitations, it is still one of my favorite little rifles.  I just choose to operate within its limitations and not try to make it into something it is not. 
 
 Regards,
 Schuter

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Re: Ever shot the Ruger no. 1 in .357? CHP.
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2011, 08:00:08 AM »
 
Shuter,
 
   Thanks again for the excellent info.  I don't handload, so I would be strictly shooting the 158 grain Remington factory core-lokts, or maybe, if I can afford them, a box or two of the Buffalo Bore rounds, for hunting.
 
   You are also totally correct about enjoying a gun for what it is.  By my estimate, more than half of all posts on these boards are by people who are having gun problems, because they buy a rifle and then try to make into something that it is not, instead of enjoying it for what it is.  (This must be a vestigal trait from our chimpanzee brains.)
 
Best Regards,
 
Mannyrock

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« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2011, 09:13:09 AM »
Perhaps some people just do most of their thinking with their vestigial tailbones.  There's a word for that, (and I suppose I have been guilty of of it, but I'm trying to evolve.) 

I hope you find exactly what you are looking for.

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Schuter

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« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2011, 07:53:40 AM »
Wow, Shuter - well composed, objective, informative....
Excellent post.  Thanks for sharing.  I really enkoyed your comments.

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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2011, 07:19:34 AM »
Manny,
I purchased a Ruger No. 1 in .357 Mag. a couple years ago.  I had it reamed to .357 Maximum and hunted with it with excellent results using the Hornady 200 gr. FTX and a case full of AA1680.  Since then, a friend purchased that rifle from me and I bought a second one.  Neither of these rifles had the CHP logo.  The second one, which I currently own, was so pristine that I hesitated to have it opened up to the Max. dimensions.  Through research and testing, I found that using Hodgdon 110 powder, I was able to develop a useful hunting load in the .357 Magnum cases that was on the heals of the .357 Maximum with a Hornady 180 gr. SSPB.  I have not experimented with lighter loads in .357 or .38 Special cases, as this is primarily a hunting rifle for me.  I use it for whitetail deer inside 200 yards.  100 yard groups at 2100 fps are around 1.50" for 5 shots.
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« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2011, 08:42:45 AM »
I have two. One has been rechambered to .357 Maximum. It has an old Burris 6X Compact scope. The standard version has the factory open sights. They are great guns and good handling. The ability to use spitzer bullets instead of the flatnose styles used in most handguns and repeaters adds a lot of versatility.