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Offline tacklebury

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So my rim-muzzle loader of a different flavor!
« on: September 29, 2011, 03:51:04 PM »
I've been itching for some time to do this and finally got all my ducks in a row and have succeeded.  Bear with me as it's a bit long and I'll try to detail a bit.  As an introduction, I've been wanting to make a .22 caliber muzzle loader, but at the same time, I really thought why make a new gun just for this, there's got to be a way to make a .22 work for muzzle loading easily.  As a platform for my project, I decided to use my Marlin 70P "Papoose" since it has an easy to access barrel end and breaks down into a nice case:

Big issue is that I still want to be able to use it with std. .22 LR ammo as well.  So with a bit of research and testing I came up with the following tap:

Which is the correct tap size to directly tap the chamber of a .22 rimfire and small enough thread to avoid having brass extruding itself into the threads when shooting regular ammo.  Here's the nipple:

Sorry, phone doesn't do well with the close-up, so later I'll try to take some better pics.  ;)  Anyway, I ran the tap into the chamber of the Papoose barrel about 3/8":

Once this was done, I made sure there were no burrs with a round file and then went out and shot up a clip of ammo...  Good to go so far!  No apparent effect on the ammunition extraction.  8)  So now I thread in the nipple with a tiny bit of breechplug grease that I use on my Muzzle loaders:

Then I re-attach the barrel to the receiver of the Papoose:

Finally, I use my smallest Lee Dipper (.3cc) to measure out some Goex ffffg:

For ammo, I've picked up two things, first off round lead BB's made by Gamo, but they are too loose and roll out the bore, so I use thermal recept paper to create a wad.  Once the balls are started, I rip off the tail and ram it down.

I have picked up some 30gr. NAA CBB style bullets too, but haven't had a chance to test with them yet:

So finally, I load up my brass cap dispenser with Remington #11 caps and step out on the back porch with the breech locked back in it's retaining divet:


Anyway, I am still working on the bolt release mechanism, but basically, It acts as the hammer and fires the cap.  I have drilled a small hole in the retaining divet on the left of the frame and I'm making a spring clip, which can be snapped on when wanting to do the muzzle loading:

  Rifle shot pretty close to POA, but it's a rainy day here and didn't have much time to set up paper and such.  Will post back more when I can put some on paper too.  8)  I was simply letting the bolt go manually today.  8)
Tacklebury --}>>>>>    Multi-Barrel: .223 Superlite, 7mm-08 22", .30-40 Krag M158, .357 Maximum 16-1/4 HB, .45 Colt, .45-70 22" irons, 32" .45-70 Peeps, 12 Ga. 3-1/2 w/ Chokes, .410 Smooth slugger, .45 Cal Muzzy, .50 Cal Muzzy, .58 Cal Muzzy

also classics: M903 9-shot Target .22 Revolver, 1926 .410 Single, 1915 38 S&W Break top Revolver and 7-shot H&R Trapper .22 6" bbl.


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Re: So my rim-muzzle loader of a different flavor!
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2011, 02:53:33 PM »
Well, I got out to my Dad's today and shot it quite a bit more.  Does really well.  I haven't finished the thumb firing mechanism yet, so all these are
still just manually holding open the bolt.  8)  I had dad take some videos documenting it's firing etc. on my phone.  He did ok and I got 3 usable ones
anyway.  hehe  Not bad since he's almost 70 and hates techy stuff.  ;)  Below are links to the 3 You-Tube videos for you to watch if you want to see her
in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJAwvttpWzE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_A_M3TO9i0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In3CcM2hFTc

I also got picks of a couple of the groups I shot today on paper plates.  I forgot to take my dirty bird targets along.  8( 
First one here is at 15 yards using the .22 Round ball pellets and thermal receipt paper wad:


Second one is at 15 yards using the 30 gr. NAA CBB bullets:

The first three shots grouped right around the bullseye on this one, then the last two flew to the right and almost one holed.  I'm thinking that the
microgroove rifling liked these, but wanted to be cleaned after a 3-shot.  The Round balls didn't seem to care how many I shot, but weren't too
consistent in comparison.  ;)

So anyway, hope you guys enjoy watching and seeing this.  I'm entering phase two of my testing with this concept, so hopefully, I'll have some more
interesting stuff to report on this in the next few weeks.  ;)
 
Tacklebury --}>>>>>    Multi-Barrel: .223 Superlite, 7mm-08 22", .30-40 Krag M158, .357 Maximum 16-1/4 HB, .45 Colt, .45-70 22" irons, 32" .45-70 Peeps, 12 Ga. 3-1/2 w/ Chokes, .410 Smooth slugger, .45 Cal Muzzy, .50 Cal Muzzy, .58 Cal Muzzy

also classics: M903 9-shot Target .22 Revolver, 1926 .410 Single, 1915 38 S&W Break top Revolver and 7-shot H&R Trapper .22 6" bbl.


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Re: So my rim-muzzle loader of a different flavor!
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2011, 12:53:30 AM »
 Pretty neat. I've got a 10-22 take off barrel here I've been thinking about using to make a simple muzzle loading rifle of some sort.
 
 I have a couple tins of Eley solid .22 cal airgun pellets here. They're very similar to a 30 grain .22 rimfire bullet. Don't know if they make them anymore. Probably cheaper than the NAA bullets if you can find them.
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Re: So my rim-muzzle loader of a different flavor!
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2011, 03:17:12 PM »
that seems like a good project for something like a handi barrel or a rossi...

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Re: So my rim-muzzle loader of a different flavor!
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2011, 11:10:05 PM »
Hello,

Interesting concept.

Might try taking a 0.177" ball and patching it with a 0.050" piece of cotton cloth.

My concern is that you're working on a bolt release mechanism.  Depending on how you do this, it could conceivably fall under a machine gun if you retain the ability to fire .22. 

Just a thought.

Regards,

Josh

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Re: So my rim-muzzle loader of a different flavor!
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2011, 11:13:01 AM »
Thanks josh, but it will not fire the .22 shell.  Only acts as a hammer when using the percussion cap.  Releasing the bolt with a loaded magazine and the nipple removed, simply loads a round.  ;)
Tacklebury --}>>>>>    Multi-Barrel: .223 Superlite, 7mm-08 22", .30-40 Krag M158, .357 Maximum 16-1/4 HB, .45 Colt, .45-70 22" irons, 32" .45-70 Peeps, 12 Ga. 3-1/2 w/ Chokes, .410 Smooth slugger, .45 Cal Muzzy, .50 Cal Muzzy, .58 Cal Muzzy

also classics: M903 9-shot Target .22 Revolver, 1926 .410 Single, 1915 38 S&W Break top Revolver and 7-shot H&R Trapper .22 6" bbl.