Owning "Bad Guys" Guns

[1911crazy]

I knew most of my guns have killed but thats not my fault nor will they kill anyone again.  I don't hate the enemy because they were fighting for there country while you fought for ours.  I always worried about noises in the safe??  Ghosts of the killed in action and guns vibrating or shaking in the safe but nothing in all these many years yet.  I don't worry about anything, nor let anything bother me.               Bill

I enjoy my sks from when they were first imported.  Heck the ak/akm russian saiga is the most awesome rifle on the planet.

[SHOOTALL]

One thing to consider is if you have a bad guys gun - he lost ! And that might be a good thing !

[Victor3]

I knew most of my guns have killed but thats not my fault nor will they kill anyne again.  I don't hate the enemy because they were fighting for there country while you fought for ours.  I always worried about noises in the safe??  Ghosts and guns vibrating or shaking but nothing in all these many years yet.

 How do you know?
 
 Most pre-1960 rifles we buy on the surplus market haven't been used in battle. Statistically speaking, even those that get to us that have seen some action haven't been used to actually kill anyone in most cases. Most were carried/trained with much but fired in anger little (or fired in anger but missed 90% of the time). Battlefield conditions are very hard on small arms and the majority that were used to any extent never made it to the civilian market.

[1911crazy]

Our russian mosin nagant rifles, our german 8mm mausers and most of the other older surplus guns even from the turn of the century were used in wars. I've seen bloodied stocks on chinese sks's from nam that were bring backs that the previous owners didn't need anymore for sale at gun shows.  They tung oiled the stocks over the blood to seal it.   Not our blood i'm sure.

[Victor3]

Our russian mosin nagant rifles, our german 8mm mausers and most of the other older surplus guns even from the turn of the century were used in wars. I've seen bloodied stocks on chinese sks's from nam that were bring backs that the previous owners didn't need anymore for sale at gun shows.  They tung oiled the stocks over the blood to seal it.   Not our blood i'm sure.

 Me too. Blood (in most cases just a reasonable facsimile thereof) on a stock always drives up the price.

[Rex in OTZ]

I dont know if the guys that had my Mosin were "Bad Guy's" but you gotta admit that the Finnish [SA] marke'd Mosin P-27 had to been in at least one or two scrapes??
 
#1 How Finns get that model 91 to start with?
#2 1927 they ligned the barrel so its stamped P-27 (still a model 91)
#3 What happened after 1927 in Finland one can only guess??
 
a little complation of [SA] markd Mosins in action
http://youtu.be/Ikpl-cdY0Ik
http://youtu.be/WjuLfd7OWwI
http://youtu.be/WjuLfd7OWwI

[flmason]

I dont know if the guys that had my Mosin were "Bad Guy's" but you gotta admit that the Finnish [SA] marke'd Mosin P-27 had to been in at least one or two scrapes??
 
#1 How Finns get that model 91 to start with?
#2 1927 they ligned the barrel so its stamped P-27 (still a model 91)
#3 What happened after 1927 in Finland one can only guess??

Would really like to see one of the Fin variants up close. Seems like concensus is they make the most accurate shooters?

[S.S.]

just remember, to most of the world we are the bad guys

[flmason]

just remember, to most of the world we are the bad guys

Is that actually true? I've not traveled outside of north america for the most part, so I'm not sure if we're the "bad guys" or just "the rich guys", so to speak.

I guess in the end, any issued military item may have killed *someone*. Whether that was "good" or "bad" definitely depends on one's perspective, what side one was on.

Would be nice if we could get to an era where shooting at each other wasn't neccesary.

[mcwoodduck]

just remember, to most of the world we are the bad guys

Is that actually true? I've not traveled outside of north america for the most part, so I'm not sure if we're the "bad guys" or just "the rich guys", so to speak.

I guess in the end, any issued military item may have killed *someone*. Whether that was "good" or "bad" definitely depends on one's perspective, what side one was on.

Would be nice if we could get to an era where shooting at each other wasn't neccesary.

Unfortunatly we have supported many countries all over the world and many leaders have stolen that $ we send to support the people and these same leaders balme the US for keeping them down, supporting their enemies.

[Rex in OTZ]

In one the scenes from Pikka Parikka's: Talvisota (The Winter War), during a russian assult you can plainly see one the men having a Mosin jam (You-Tube The Winter War 5/14- 7:20/13:25) he pitches the recalcitrant model 91 over his shoulder and grabs a fallen comrads weapon and resumes fighting.
http://youtu.be/Ikpl-cdY0Ik
From all the laying on ther bellies to keep from being shot seems its no wonder there wer'nt more mosin's with bad muzzles, from dirt in the muzzles and been fired (fix'd by back bore?) also they did a good job portraying the common black face associated from allot of shooting.