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« on: November 17, 2011, 03:23:20 AM »
had a customer last night bring this Handi rifle back. crappy pics and i apologize for that but all i had was my phone camera...
customer said he had taken it to the range to sight it in and couldnt get it on paper. then he had the man at the indoor range re-boresight it and try to sight it in as well. after a few shots they realised what the problem was so he brought it in... :o
 
we are gonna exchange it for him and send it back to H&R...
 
whats wrong with this picture?
the marking on the barrel reads:
caliber .444 marlin

 
here is the muzzle of the same rifle... :o

 
not bashing cause i know mistakes happen and i can live with that, just sharing with yall...
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Re: oops...
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2011, 03:29:24 AM »
What does it mic at can't tell from picture
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Re: oops...
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2011, 03:42:02 AM »
It's a 500S&W  ??
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Re: oops...
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2011, 03:59:21 AM »
0.500"-ish

It is chambered for the 444 marlin as marked on the barrel but the bore is definately NOT for a 44 caliber.
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Re: oops...
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2011, 04:57:58 AM »
Oooooh that's not good!  Great catch on y'alls part Joe.  Enjoy opening weekend!
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Re: oops...
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2011, 05:02:10 AM »
Thanks! Hope to! Got a friend bringin his son out saturday. Hope the deer and weather cooperate. :)

You too!
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Re: oops...
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2011, 06:12:27 AM »
Wow. At least the bore is bigger than .44 and not a lot smaller!
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Re: oops...
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2011, 06:37:24 AM »
I hope it is a 500 S&W barrel and not a 50 cal MZ. :o
 
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Re: oops...
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2011, 06:45:04 AM »
Maybe it was made on Friday....
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Re: oops...
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2011, 07:16:39 AM »
Lets see.....
Breech seat a bullet of proper dia. for the bore and follow it with the 'reusable sub caliber powder chamber (case)'.........
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Re: oops...
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2011, 07:23:51 AM »
I think it was made on friday. :)
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2011, 08:39:25 AM »
We used to joke in the shop about the inconsistency of Italian vehicles build quality by saying that you didnt want a Mon., Wed., or Fri. made one, or those made right after lunch anyday.
Mon. was getting over the weekend, Wed. was after two days work, and Fri. for the obvious. After lunch we will leave to the imagination.
Tues. and Thur. were gems if not made right after lunch or too close to closing.
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Re: oops...
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2011, 08:49:30 AM »
Saw a 270 bbl on a gun marked and chambered for a 3006 . Guy shot it .
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Re: oops...
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2011, 09:13:57 AM »
Quote from Gcrank1:
"We used to joke in the shop about the inconsistency of Italian vehicles build quality by saying that you didnt want a Mon., Wed., or Fri. made one, or those made right after lunch anyday.Mon. was getting over the weekend, Wed. was after two days work, and Fri. for the obvious. After lunch we will leave to the imagination.
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Re: oops...
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2011, 10:06:48 AM »
Are H&R barrels rifled with a button die? Chambered 444 how could they drag a 500 button die through it?
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Re: oops...
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2011, 10:10:46 AM »
A 50/444 that could be fun.
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Re: oops...
« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2011, 10:28:51 AM »
I would figure they start like as a tube of a certain bore that is rifled then reamed depending on the caliber. Like same "blank" for 44 and 444 marlin? Someone just grabbed the 50 cal blank and reamed a 444 chamber into it... I guess?
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Re: oops...
« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2011, 11:02:35 AM »
YOU JUST GOTTA SLUG BOTH ENDS OF THAT BORE FOR US!
Inquiring minds, and all that.........
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Re: oops...
« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2011, 11:16:34 AM »
Don't know that I have a way to do that?
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Re: oops...
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2011, 11:29:52 AM »
Got any .50 cal muzzleloader roundballs?  If a bit too small just squish in a vise a bit to upsize and plastic or wood hammer in.
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Re: oops...
« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2011, 11:33:19 AM »
I gotya. If I can get to it before they send it back I will
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Re: oops...
« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2011, 01:18:51 PM »
Quote from: Joe S. on November 18, 2011, 10:28:51 AM
I would figure they start like as a tube of a certain bore that is rifled then reamed depending on the caliber. Like same "blank" for 44 and 444 marlin? Someone just grabbed the 50 cal blank and reamed a 444 chamber into it... I guess?

Joe,
 
Ignoring the rim on a 444M brass the largest OD is around 0.470" so they couldn't cut a 444M chamber in .500" barrel blank.  Maybe the bore is opening up as you near the muzzle? 
 
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Re: oops...
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2011, 01:39:11 AM »
Thanks BB
I actually stuck a 444 case down the muzzle. It went about half way a,d stopped. Maybe I didn't mic it properly
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Re: oops...
« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2011, 04:18:40 AM »
Sounds like the bore is messed up near the muzzle, a 444 round should drop into the muzzle clear to the rim, maybe they ran the muzzle recessing tool a little too deep and left a poor crown.

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Re: oops...
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2011, 03:35:42 PM »
Quote from: quickdtoo on November 19, 2011, 04:18:40 AM
Sounds like the bore is messed up near the muzzle, a 444 round should drop into the muzzle clear to the rim, maybe they ran the muzzle recessing tool a little too deep and left a poor crown.

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If that's the case then making it a shorty may fix it. ??


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Re: oops...
« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2011, 03:48:36 PM »
Best I could offer is I dropped a 45cal lead muzzle loader ball down the bore and it slid right thru. 50 cal ball wouldn't fit
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Re: oops...
« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2011, 04:25:06 PM »
I had planned to swing by there today to see this, but my crs flared up and i forgot.
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Re: oops...
« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2011, 04:05:13 AM »
Sounds like ya got one of those Johney Cash barrels. "It's a 44, 444, 45, 50, 500 Handi barrel shootin gun." ::)   
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