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A new Trick for an Old Dog!
« on: April 16, 2005, 03:18:37 PM »
I learned a new trick today while loading a bunch of 45-70 and 45-120 ammo. I've had problems with bulges in the side of my brass when I seat the bullets a little crooked, it's hard to get em seated perfectly straight in the case mouth, so I used my Lee Loader!! I just place the Lee Loader over the case, 45-70 or 45-120, while it's standing on my work bench, drop a bullet in the body, it self aligns due to the design of the Lee Loader, then tap the Lee bullet seater a couple times to get the bullet started, raise the Lee Loader an inch above the bench, tap the bullet seater one more time and the cartridge with started bullet falls out, place the cartridge in the press and seat and crimp it!!! That's all there is to it!!! Works great, no more bulges on the sides of the cases due to crooked seating of the bullets! :-D  :-D  :-D
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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2005, 09:30:36 PM »
Quick....
Thanks for that tip. Working with cast I've had the same issue.
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2005, 12:25:55 AM »
Quick, I have found the same thing with my 45-70.
 Most of cast bullets for 45-70 are just loaded with classic
 loader. Marv.

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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2005, 02:20:54 AM »
Great hint Quick, but I load all my 45-70's with my Lee Loader so I don't have any problems to eliminate....<><.... :-D
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Classic Loader?
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2005, 02:23:12 AM »
What is the "Classic Loader"? I may be interested in one fo them. I use an old Lyman turret press. Thanks-Jack.

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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2005, 05:24:16 AM »
The Lee Loader....it's what I started with and a lot stay with cuz they work so good.....

http://leeprecision.com/xcart/LEE-LOADER-45-70-GOVT.html
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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2005, 06:54:49 AM »
Thanks man!! I will pick one up :grin: Is that the best price for one? Thanks-Jack.

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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2005, 07:02:57 AM »
They sell for $11 to $13 at several places, just depends on what else you want to order...if you want any reloading supplies, Lee is off the list....

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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2005, 08:11:48 AM »
Another trick that will do it also is:

Partially seat the bullet, rotate the case 90 degrees and then fully seat the bullet.
 ..............it evens things out.
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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2005, 08:43:27 AM »
Thanks for the tip...I have a Lee Loader on order...
I just did 100 45-70`s and was really taking my
time on the seating part...your tip will make it alot easier.... :D

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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2005, 10:21:30 AM »
Quick,
Thanks for the tip !
I've been having the same problem since I started loading the 45-70 and the 458 Lott and had not been able to figure it out.

Looks like I'll be buying a Lee Loader !
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« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2005, 10:47:31 AM »
I've never had that problem but maybe cause I expand my case necks larger than the standard expander die.  The larger expander will also help eliminate the case sizing the softer slugs down such as what you might load for BPC.

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Re: A new Trick for an Old Dog!
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2011, 12:38:43 AM »
Howdy ima lil new Here and definitely new to reloading, how do you load 45-120 with a lee classic loader? i cant find one that is 120 specific and cant afford a press with how much powder and lead ill need for the ammo lol

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« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2011, 01:13:26 AM »
I've never had a problem with bulges on my 45-70 cases, and I load with a RCBS single press using a standard Lee three die set.
 
What I do is expand the case mouth just barely enough to be able to place the base of the bullet into the case without it falling out, lining it up as straight as I can, (but it doesn't have to be perfectly straight), and then place it onto the shell holder, and then raise the cartridge into the preset die just until I feel contact and just put a little pressure and then back off and lower it, and then using my other hand, I turn the cartridge about 180* on the shell holder and again raise the cartridge up into the die and press lightly again, and then continue this motion of press, backoff, rotate, press, backoff, rotate, another time or two until the bullet easily seats into the case.
 
This can be done faster than what it sounds, and it's just a matter of slowing down a little right at the start of seating the bullet just a little at a time until you feel the bullet smoothly seat, and you will develope the feel.  What I have found is that the die itself will straighten the bullet out if given the chance.
 
Like I said I've not had any problem with bulging cases yet!
 
I use this method loading 405 grain cast bullets of .460 dia. with no problems at all!
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Re: A new Trick for an Old Dog!
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2011, 01:21:05 AM »
lol i asked a question lol

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« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2011, 01:32:41 AM »
lol i asked a question lol

Welcome to the forum!  ;D
 
It can be done using the standard 45-70 set and you just don't drive the case all the way into the sizer die, (mainly because you can't) and just size the neck that receives the bullet.

It can be done fairly easily as I load my 454 Casull using my 45LC classic die set and the loads work fine, just takes a little practice, and getting used to the ideal that the case isn't all the way up into the sizer, and then lining up the primer for seating.
 
Somehow I can picture the Geico caveman doing it this way! ;D
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« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2011, 02:16:09 AM »
i used to have that problem ever now an then, but since got tha redding set and rebuilt my lyman progressive, never happened again... been bout 9 years ;D
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Re: A new Trick for an Old Dog!
« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2011, 10:31:33 AM »
Thanks Tim,
I just KNEW there was a reason I bought that Lee loader 15 years ago. ;)
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Re: A new Trick for an Old Dog!
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2011, 11:46:52 AM »
lol i asked a question lol

Welcome to the forum!  ;D 

 just takes a little practice, and getting used to the ideal that the case isn't all the way up into the sizer, and then lining up the primer for seating.
 
Somehow I can picture the Geico caveman doing it this way! ;D

Howdy ima lil new Here and definitely new to reloading, how do you load 45-120 with a lee classic loader? i cant find one that is 120 specific and cant afford a press with how much powder and lead ill need for the ammo lol

 
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Re: A new Trick for an Old Dog!
« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2011, 02:43:08 PM »
Two old dog's have learned a trick.  My Lee loader resides about 2' from my press, I just never thought of it.  Thanks for the tip.  My dies almost swage the bullet down when I'm loading .459 bullets.  I might just load with the Lee loader.....
 
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Re: A new Trick for an Old Dog!
« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2011, 10:45:06 PM »
never had a bulged case quik but good to know.i could stand some new tricks i have loaded 45-70 since i was 18 fun caliber.

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Re: A new Trick for an Old Dog!
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2011, 06:44:16 PM »
I have always just chamfered and slightly belled the case mouth, but I'll add this one to my bag of tricks, Thanks Tim

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Re: A new Trick for an Old Dog!
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2011, 12:27:54 PM »
It isnt a bad idea to do everything you can to try to 'even out' the misalignment of any reloading press ram and dieset. What you describe sounds as if it is out. Sometimes just rotating the die, or the seating stem,  1/4 of a turn, or less, will 'square things up'. It is a little touch and go, but you can see now what misalignment is. I usually dont crimp, so I can adjust between tweaking the seating stem and the die body to get alignment within the die and still maintain the seating depth I want. Some dont lock down the lock rings but let thing 'float' so they kind of self align. Try it all.
BTW, you might just take that seating die off and pull it apart and clean it out good, then reassemble. With a good light over your shoulder look down in it while you turn the seating stem and you might even see it rotating out of round.
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Re: A new Trick for an Old Dog!
« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2011, 07:59:58 PM »
thanx guys for all your help