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Offline Dinny

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Range Report
« on: December 04, 2011, 09:05:39 AM »
I shot my new .356 Win Handi and my older 30-30 today. Both of them shot extremely well with loads they preferred. The .356's custom barrel is the smoothest barrel I have ever seen! Cleaning is a snap and the bore patch was never snagged and felt like it was dragging over glass.


  The .356 Win shot the 220gr Speer FP the best. At 100yds, the first two shots cut nearly the same hole and the third one was pulled ;)  to 5/8" away. It did not shoot that well again though. But that's fine, that just tells me what it likes is what it likes. I did get a few 1 1/2" groups shooting some of the Barnes 200gr TTSX bullets and the higher powder charge loads from the 220gr Speer. All loads were using H4198 powder.


  The 30-30 surprised me a bit by shooting the 150gr Sierra GK bullets into 1/2"-3/4" groups using H4895. Velocity was close to 2300fps. I shot those, the 125gr Nosler BTs, Hornady 130gr SPs and the 165gr Ranch Dog 30cal cast bullets. The RDs didn't shoot as well as I would have liked, but they do show alot of potential. The other bullets didn't shoot well enough to mention anything new about them. :( 


Also, I fire formed 20 .308 cases for use as .358 cases. I shot 5gr of Bullseye with Cornmeal and toilet paper packing. That was a first for me! It's very interesting seeing white confetti on the range, almost looked like snow when it was blowing back at me on the wind. All cases look good.


More to follow after I make a few adjustments and have more time to shoot. My wife's new job is cramping my shooting time... :-\




Thanks, Dinny

 
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Re: Range Report
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2011, 10:27:11 AM »
Sounds like fun! It has been raining here all day  :-\
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Re: Range Report
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2011, 10:32:22 AM »



sounds like good shooting to me! Be thankful your wife has a job!!
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Re: Range Report
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2011, 10:35:40 AM »
What powder are you putting behind the 125 BT's? I am getting 3/4" over H335 in grandpaws old topper.
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Re: Range Report
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2011, 11:44:25 AM »
Quote from: Monteria on December 04, 2011, 10:35:40 AM
What powder are you putting behind the 125 BT's? I am getting 3/4" over H335 in grandpaws old topper.


I have tried H4895 and H322 so far. I have some of the H335, perhaps I'll try that next. :)


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Re: Range Report
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2011, 11:47:17 AM »
Quote from: buffermop on December 04, 2011, 10:32:22 AM
Be thankful your wife has a job!!


I am but since this is the first job she's had in over 3 years, I have not adapted yet to her being gone. :-\




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Re: Range Report
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2011, 12:03:55 PM »
Quote from: -Dinny on December 04, 2011, 11:44:25 AM
Quote from: Monteria on December 04, 2011, 10:35:40 AM
What powder are you putting behind the 125 BT's? I am getting 3/4" over H335 in grandpaws old topper.


I have tried H4895 and H322 so far. I have some of the H335, perhaps I'll try that next. :)


Thanks, Dinny

How is the 322 doing? I plan to try that next. Not that I need any better accuracy, but it may be a winner over the chrony...
 
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Re: Range Report
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2011, 12:18:55 PM »
Steve,
  It did not fare well in my testing. The velocity was over 2300fps, but the groups were over 2". :(




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Re: Range Report
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2011, 12:59:26 PM »
i'm using 335 with the 125bt's also i'm getting an average of 2450fps and its printing about 1 1/4 at 150yds.
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Re: Range Report
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2011, 01:11:01 PM »
So I'm guessing that somewhere between 29-33gr of H335 will work for the 125s?


http://www.nosler.com/Reloading-Data/30-30-Winchester-Handgun-125-Grains.aspx




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Re: Range Report
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2011, 01:13:38 PM »
Sounds like a great day at the range Dinny!  ;)

Tim
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Re: Range Report
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2011, 01:38:41 PM »
I think that I am at 35. Don't quote me on that tough, I would have to consult my logs.

*EDIT* 34, and that's max according to hodgdon.
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Re: Range Report
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2011, 01:54:32 PM »
Dinny-
 I was also at the range today and I have given up on the 130 hornady sp in my 30-30. they shoot well enough for deer at 100 for most but not well enough for me. The 160 ftx shoot well with the leverlution powder but will get some 150 grain 308 and give them a try. Was a great day at the range.
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Re: Range Report
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2011, 02:42:41 PM »
Quote from: Deerhunter#1 on December 04, 2011, 01:54:32 PM
I was also at the range today and I have given up on the 130 hornady sp in my 30-30.


Don't give up on that bullet until you have thoroughly tested it with W748. That and RL7 are on my grocery list to buy and test.


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Re: Range Report
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2011, 11:19:20 PM »
I have ran it with rel7 and h4198 and have gotten decent results say 11/2 at 100the but I know this gun can shoot better as experienced with heavier bullets. Just went through my last 100one bullets so I think I am going to try something in the 150back range
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Re: Range Report
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2011, 04:42:29 PM »
i posted my load yesterday and now its gone. was it removed?
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Re: Range Report
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2011, 04:47:29 PM »
Quote from: av-doctor on December 05, 2011, 04:42:29 PM
i posted my load yesterday and now its gone. was it removed?


I don't recall a charge weight being listed yesterday. Just this...


Quote from: av-doctor on December 04, 2011, 12:59:26 PM
i'm using 335 with the 125bt's also i'm getting an average of 2450fps and its printing about 1 1/4 at 150yds.


Thanks, Dinny
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Re: Range Report
« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2011, 04:58:14 PM »
i made a second post listing my load details, i don't want to post again if its something thats against the rules
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Re: Range Report
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2011, 05:03:34 PM »
Nothing was removed, it's not in the trash can, so it just didn't get posted.  ???

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Re: Range Report
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2011, 05:26:38 PM »
Thanks Tim,  i just didn't want to post anything against the rules.
  anyway i'll try again..lol
  125gr Nos BT
  30-30 mixed cases
  CCI LR primers
  33.0gr  H335
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Re: Range Report
« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2011, 07:49:11 PM »
 Dinney looks like you had a good day at the range . i have some 110 grn spitzers loaded with h335 going to shoot as soon as the wind is gone. i my handy .shot some 110 grn plinkers in my winchester lever gun they shot real good.next i m going to load 110 flat point varmiters for both guns.i have shot a lot  of gritters with the plinkers they are deadly. it' funny the 30-30 looks like the 22 hornets daddy  ;D
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Re: Range Report
« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2011, 06:21:36 PM »
I have another round of reloads to try in my .356 Handi. All of them are loaded with H335 powder as I have found it to be highly recommended by several reliable sources. As for bullets, I loaded the 200gr Hornady SP, 180gr Speer FP, Barnes 200gr TSX FB and 250gr Winchester Power-Points. Shooting ranges are a premium in this area and the best one is about a 45min drive away. I have acquired permission to hunt a half-section of land 3 miles South of my house. The farmer has left several dozen round bales to rot on the fence row and I'm gonna call him and see if he minds me shooting into them.


I had a realization the other day when I started loading again for the .356 Win. I opened my load book and found where I had a load listed out of sequence. It was the first load I fired from my Handi. It shot very well and I couldn't understand why the rest of my loads weren't shooting as well. As it turns out, that was a sole load of Sierra 225gr Spitzers. When I get the chance to load more, I'll throw a few more into the mix and see how they compare to the others. This time they will be in-sequence and I'll be able to accurately document their performance.



More to follow after I get a chance to shoot 'em.


Thanks, Dinny



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Re: Range Report
« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2011, 12:19:07 AM »
Good news Dinny!!
 
In my 307 H335 and a 165RN have proved very accurate! ONE hole at 50yards! (It was also a good one in my 358Winchester BLR)
LONG ago I arrived a WW748 powder for all 30-30 loads. I have yet to see one that didnt shoot well with a max loading of that powder with a 170G bullet. If you  look at the manuels you will see that the recomended charges for that powder have been going down over the years. Back in the early 80's it was in the upper middle 30's today its about 30. My own loading is above current maximums but has proven to show no pressure signs from my barrels.
 
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Re: Range Report
« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2011, 01:10:29 AM »
Dinny, look behind those round bales before you shoot.   One round bale, especially a rotten one, won't stop a .35 cal bullet at 2400 fps.  It'll slow it down, and it won't go far afterward.  I've shot trash crossbow bolts right through them. ;)

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Re: Range Report
« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2011, 09:15:44 AM »
Quote from: petemi on December 19, 2011, 01:10:29 AM
Dinny, look behind those round bales before you shoot.   One round bale, especially a rotten one, won't stop a .35 cal bullet at 2400 fps.  It'll slow it down, and it won't go far afterward.  I've shot trash crossbow bolts right through them. ;)

Pete


Pete,
  There are a few places where they're placed side by side three wide. I'll line them up with my target so I get better stopping power.

We're finally getting the rain we needed months ago so it will be another day or so... :(


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