Author Topic: H&R .410 ga (Read 1346 times)

Kurt Heckman · « **on:** December 21, 2003, 05:47:58 PM »

I have a smooth bore H&R .410 are there any 45 cal rifle cartridges I can shoot out of it? It is full choke.

Ramrod · « **Reply #1 on:** December 22, 2003, 03:00:21 AM »

:eek: Do you have a death wish?
I'm pretty sure it is not recommended.

ghostZ · « **Reply #2 on:** December 22, 2003, 03:26:57 AM »

I am not sure but you might be able to buy a .45 barrel for it....check around on the net.

Kurt Heckman · « **Reply #3 on:** December 22, 2003, 05:34:43 AM »

No I do not have a death wish! I ask The ? because for yrs I have heard it said more than once that you could shoot 45s out of a 410 I ask the ? here so maybe I could get an answear from someone who knows firearms and ballistics . I know there are people out there who are very dedicated to guns and shooting and as I only dable in them a little I thought I could find and explanaition here.

Bullseye · « **Reply #4 on:** December 22, 2003, 12:22:27 PM »

Since T/C makes a barrel that shoots 45 & 410 I assume it would chamber. However a T/C barrel is a thick barrel that is built to withstand the pressure of the 45 LC which is probably two to three times the pressure of the 410. I would venture to say that it is a good possibility that a 410 shotgun barrel would come apart if a 45 lc was shot in it. DO NOT TRY IT!!!!!. Accuracy would stink anyway with no rifling.

Kurt Heckman · « **Reply #5 on:** December 22, 2003, 12:48:55 PM »

Thanks bullseye thats kind of what I was thinking.

Ramrod · « **Reply #6 on:** December 22, 2003, 01:21:28 PM »

Kurt, Bullseye,
I just grabbed my dial calipers and made a few quick measurements. NEF single shot full choke .410 measures .390" at the muzzle. A pulled .45 Colt lead bullet is .452". You do the math.
I'm pretty sure the T/C barrels are bored to the Industry Standard for .45 Colt, and being larger than a .410, will accept the longer shotgun shell into the rifling.
The general rule still works. Never chamber a round in a gun it's not intended for.

ramrod

Savage · « **Reply #7 on:** December 22, 2003, 03:45:54 PM »

Ramrod,
Sage advice indeed!!! By the way, the 600 nitro chambers nicely in a 20ga. Any takers??
Savage

jbr · « **Reply #8 on:** December 23, 2003, 06:33:48 AM »

I shoot 410 ga from a Bond derringer that is made to shoot .45 Colt and 410 ga shells. I've never seen a 410 ga barrel made to shoot a .45 Colt. Don't do it!!

tony212 · « **Reply #9 on:** December 23, 2003, 11:19:37 AM »

There seems to be alot of confusion on this whole 45/44-40/410 issue. When I was a kid, which was many years ago, quite a few old timers would say you could shoot 44-40s in a .410. My father actually had an old single shot shotgun which was stamped right on the barrel 44-40/.410. However if you noticed the 44-40 was first and here is the clincher.....the guns were chambered and proofed for 44-40. They just happened to be able to shoot .410s, which were much lower pressure. The same would be true for modern guns chambered for .45Colt. I had a Cobray single shot deringer which shot either .45Colt or .410s. However, a .410 shotgun won't chamber the .45s and is not meant to handle the extra pressure of either .45s or 44-40. In other words, guns chambered for .45 or .44-40 will sometimes handle .410s but guns chambered for .410 should never have .45s or .44-40 fired in them.
Hope this is helpful.
Tony212 :grin:

Kurt Heckman · « **Reply #10 on:** December 23, 2003, 06:26:17 PM »

thank you that is the type of confusion that I can remember hereing .

Savage · « **Reply #11 on:** December 24, 2003, 03:47:39 AM »

It's really simple------------as Ramrod said: NEVER chamber a round in anything other than the one marked on the barrel!! That will keep you walking without the white cane and parking in the handicaped spots! Don't care what grandpaw said, or what Billy Bob does.
Stay Safe,
Savage

dakotashooter2 · « **Reply #12 on:** December 26, 2003, 04:44:25 AM »

I have an encore in 45/410. The first thing I noticed is that the 410 is a bit of a sloppy fit in the chamber while the 45 is just right. That being said a 45 might be a tight fit in a real 410 bore. As previously metioned the 410 has a pretty thin barrel. While the chamber is probably thick enough to handle the pressure the barrel might "give up" somewhere along the line and at the least you would probably bulge the barrel at the choke. I have also heard of old timers firing 44-40s and 45's from the 410 but I wonder if a lot of this didn't happen during the blackpowder era and with pure lead (read soft) bullets.

Cascade Dave · « **Reply #13 on:** January 16, 2004, 10:21:58 AM »

Since it has been a long while since you posted your message, you probably won't ever come back and read this. According to the H&R/NEF catalog; they do produce guns that are chanbered to fire .410 bore and 45LC. I looked at their website, and if you e-mail them the production numbers on your gun they should be able to tell you if it is safe to fire 45LC in your gun. However, my guess is that you can't. Typically, modern manufactures label their guns to correspond with what caliber/guage they are chambered for. Hope this helps.

Kurt Heckman · « **Reply #14 on:** January 16, 2004, 01:06:18 PM »

Thanks Cascade Dave I had not seen that in any of H&R liturature and will check it out . My ? was more out of curiosity than wanting to shoot 45 out of my new 410 and I am pretty sure just by looking at the thickness of the end of the barrel I would not shoot 45 out of it I have a 12" encore barrel in 454 that will do much more than I could ever even think about a 45 out of 410 would do but thanks for the info.Kurt