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Re: Yugo M57 Tokarev Pistol
« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2011, 12:32:09 AM »
Quote from: JRBEAR on March 08, 2011, 12:47:52 PM
I just got my M57 from Widener's and was bigtime disappointed in the holster I received.
 The pistol & mags looked good but the cleaning rod was broken and the holster looked like it had spent time in a swamp somewhere. Beware if you are expecting a holster that looks "similar" to the one pictured on the web site. I e-mailed Wideners and this is what I was told "We are sorry that you are unhappy with the condition of the holster. All of the holsters are in similar condition to the one you received." If you are thinking of ordering be warned. Please see the attached pics of the holster I received. These pics were taken as soon as I got it out of the shipping box.
   
So let's see the gun too.
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Re: Yugo M57 Tokarev Pistol
« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2011, 04:33:01 AM »
His gun looks fantastic, I've seen photos of it. 

Until he gets back and posts photos of it I'll update with the photos of what were to me the best holster and best handgun of the four I ordered. 

Finished cleaning it up last night...

















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Re: Yugo M57 Tokarev Pistol
« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2011, 05:11:20 AM »
Nothing wrong with that holster.  Fine looking piece, too.  That is better than the holster I got, and my guns (2) I got were both like new (if not new).  Anybody that has any fondness for this weapon, should jump on this deal as it will be gone and they will be regretful.
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Re: Yugo M57 Tokarev Pistol
« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2011, 05:15:04 AM »
This holster was unissued.  It still had the fuzzy interior and no wear marks at all.  Very happy with this rig.  Can't wait to shoot it.  Shot two of the others this past weekend, all did fine.  I did have a bit of mechanical trouble out of the other two, ended up having to swap the hammer assemblies out.  And the safety on mine sometimes causes the hammer to hang.
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Re: Yugo M57 Tokarev Pistol
« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2011, 11:44:03 AM »
Avyctes:  the safety on my Norinco used to do the same thing - activate in the middle of a string.  It didn't have a thing to do with the hammer assembly but rather the crummy batf designed safety was the fault.  There are one of two cures for the safety engaging when you don't want it to:  if yours has detent depressions in the frame where the safety detent ball sits or fits (this is on the Chinese pistols, I'm not sure about yours), just open the depressions a tiny bit so the detent ball has a better hold and that should cure it.  If the safety on the M57s is connected to the hammer assembly directly, you might be able to make it fit better or a bit more tightly. 

If you can't make it work properly or at all and the safety on your M57 is directly connected to the hammer assembly, you can either try and get a replacement or, since my replacements all either broke or fell out, you can leave the dang thing out, cover the hole with tape and use the pistol like the original TT33 that never had a safety. 



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Re: Yugo M57 Tokarev Pistol
« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2011, 01:00:07 PM »
I'm sure it's in the safety.  If I take it out the problem goes away.  As to the detents, they are fairly deep, and actually it's very hard to move the thing on to Safe.  It's not directly connected to the hammer assembly - it's a square shaped bar that slides in near the sear.  I haven't figured out yet how the thing does its magic, so I'm not sure how to fix permanently other than removing it altogether.  If anyone has any input into how these safeties work, like to hear it.
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Re: Yugo M57 Tokarev Pistol
« Reply #36 on: March 10, 2011, 01:11:28 AM »
The safety either blocks the trigger from traveling backward far enough to trip the sear or it blocks the sear from releasing the hammer.  The Chinese pistols use a safety that blocks the trigger bar or yoke from traveling back far enough to trip the sear.  If your safety engages mid-string I would think the trigger bar is probably putting enough internal pressure on the sear to allow the safety to self engage.  If you can pull the safety you may wish to smooth or stone the edges to prevent any inadvertant contact except when intentionally activated, or get a couple of additional safeties to see if one works any better than the other.  HTH.
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Re: Yugo M57 Tokarev Pistol
« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2011, 03:11:44 AM »
There was a time when standard advice was to carry five in the cylinder and leave the hammer on an empty for a six cylinder revolver.  The Yugo M57 can be carried without a round in the chamber.  Gun is drawn and round is put in battery by shoving back down on holster, catching rear sight on holster to rack back slide and then bring gun to bear.  Admittedly this might look a little stupid, but it works.  I was trained to take these apart in Berlin in the 1960s.  I have never seen one fail to fire without a safety.  This is a battle proven military sidearm WITHOUT the use of a safety.  You lose 1 round on an empty carry chamber and less than a second on bringing the weapon into battery without an after market safety addition.  If it looks stupid and it works, it ain't stupid.

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Re: Yugo M57 Tokarev Pistol
« Reply #38 on: March 10, 2011, 03:45:04 AM »
I'm in total agreement that these should have been left without safeties, as the original TT-33s were.  This gun is just a range gun to me, not something I'd carry, so I'm not concerned with the safety working, but rather - if it's installed, I just wish it would sit there and behave and not interfere with the functioning of the gun, if that makes any sense.  The best option is to get rid of it, revert back to a standard Tokarev configuration, but then you got the ugly holes in the sides of the receiver and the detents that you have to cover.  I just think these safeties were rushed, perhaps designed by someone with a drafting degree rather than a true mechanical engineer who knows and understands firearms intricacies.  I had similar problems with my Romanian TTC, and it is a completely different safety design.  I'll possibly try to stone the square bar a trifle, radius the square edges, and see if that helps. 
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Re: Yugo M57 Tokarev Pistol
« Reply #39 on: March 10, 2011, 11:55:01 AM »
And if you decide to to pull the safety, a suitably sized piece of electricians tape covers the holes and keeps out boogers, belly button lint and general all around dirt.  It's worked for me for a long time, it;s inexpensive and matches the finish. 
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Re: Yugo M57 Tokarev Pistol
« Reply #40 on: March 10, 2011, 02:29:23 PM »
Here are some pics of my M57 along with the broken cleaning rod and molded holster I got when I ordered.
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Re: Yugo M57 Tokarev Pistol
« Reply #41 on: March 11, 2011, 09:42:23 AM »
I got mine from J&G sales in excellent++ plus condition with the camo holster.  I haven't fired it yet.
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Re: Yugo M57 Tokarev Pistol
« Reply #42 on: April 06, 2011, 09:07:12 AM »
I finally put my order in today with Wideners.  They said it should ship by the end of the week.  Will post pics after it arrives and I clean it up.

PS I have no idea how many Wideners has left, but J&G apparently is out of the "Very Good" condition ones.  All they have left are the "Good" condition ones which are $20 cheaper, but based on the pics on their website look a lot worse.  Stock appears to be dwindling - you might want to order soon if you want one.

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Re: Yugo M57 Tokarev Pistol
« Reply #43 on: April 25, 2011, 02:56:31 AM »
Finally got my M57 to the range this past weekend.  Several problems out of the safety, finally disassembled and removed and got rid of the problem.  Gun was pretty well dialed in tho', had no problem hitting to POA or anything.  I walked several pop cans around at 35 yards with nary a problem.  As soon as the can would stop I'd pop it again.  But after a few mags, went to dump an empty mag and the mag was stuck, and pulling on the mag base plate would drop the slide.  I finally had to disassemble for the second time to get the mag to drop, saw nothing amiss, put back together and functioned fine.  Had a lot of fun with it, but after that I'd never trust as a self defense gun - merely a range toy.  Far too many mishaps.  Now my Dad had his at the range with me, and he had nary a problem with anything.  We both had a lot of fun shooting them.  The mag/slide problem I had may have been the result of needing cleaned after running several mags thru it.  I'd neglected to take my cleaning kit with me.
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Re: Yugo M57 Tokarev Pistol
« Reply #44 on: April 28, 2011, 09:59:06 AM »
After cleaning this gun up after the range trip, I noticed that when the safety is 'Off' and nestled down in the notch in the grip, that it is actually touching the grip, maybe enough to be causing the problem.  I worked on the notch with several different files, kept the same shape, merely deepened it enough that when the safety is now engaged, there is about 1/32 of gap between the safety and the grip.  Anxious to take it back out and see if this effort helped!  Oh, and this gun is fun to shoot out to 100 yards.  I had to hold about 3' or so over the target but scored a 'hit' on a bit of detritus.
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Re: Yugo M57 Tokarev Pistol
« Reply #45 on: May 20, 2011, 04:29:38 PM »
Quote from: Avyctes on March 10, 2011, 03:45:04 AM
This gun is just a range gun to me, not something I'd carry, so I'm not concerned with the safety working, but rather - if it's installed, I just wish it would sit there and behave and not interfere with the functioning of the gun, if that makes any sense.

There’s no reason to remove the safety and leave an ugly hole in the side of an otherwise new gun…

I have a pair of M57’s and my first one works perfect.  As nice as the second one is – it had the “safety problem”, as it wouldn’t drop the hammer when pulling the trigger.  It works perfect without the safety, so it was easy to identify the problem.

I did some Google-searches and found photos of sears having been ground!  There’s NO WAY that I was going to go that!  After messing around a bit, I noticed that the FCG (fire control group) didn’t want to drop into the frame and sit nice like my first one does.  The problem was too little space between the flat on the safety and the back of the sear.

There’s two “flats” ground onto the rod that comprises the safety – one faces forwards and the other faces upward when the safety is in the gun in the “fire” position.  Additional clearance was required between the sear and the forward facing flat on the safety.  I just used a magic-marker to keep the flat from getting cut wrong.  For each coat of ink, about 1-thousands was removed (using a jeweler’s file).  It took 4-thousands to begin working and another 6-thousands for the FCG to sit at rest in the frame properly.

Since I already have one of these pistols, I wound up taking a total of 12-thousands off of the forward facing safety flat.  Both pistols now have triggers that function close to identical.

Now before you (or anyone else) goes to grinding on your gun parts – check to be sure your situation requires the same if you do this.  I had the advantage of having a perfectly operational copy – and tried switching a lot of parts around.  What I determined (probably) was that the hole for the safety was drilled just a little bit off and that required a little fitting.  Fortunately it was a case of having too much metal (which is preferred) instead of there not being enough.  All in all, it a very easy fix as trigger work goes and anyone who is careful and takes their time should be able to handle the job.

Here’s a photo of mine..



My guns came looking like new, but the holsters were covered in mold.  That cleaned up fine, then I dyed them with Tandy oil-based leather dye and went after them with a tin of Kiwi boot polish.  Now I'm a happy boy.

Oh yeah - that small piece of black metal on the ammo box is (was) the "magazine safety".  Only the commies would put a magazine safety on a pistol that had no safety to begin with!  :P
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Re: Yugo M57 Tokarev Pistol
« Reply #46 on: May 23, 2011, 05:52:11 AM »
ECV,

I'll have to examine my trigger parts and see if I have the same problem.  That's a fine looking rig you got there.  Love the rich color of that holster.  Mine is unissued and basically uncolored, just a super light tan.   I also took out the magazine safety, it's ridiculous. 
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Re: Yugo M57 Tokarev Pistol
« Reply #47 on: May 23, 2011, 11:54:59 AM »
Thanks, I’m happy as I bought both of my M57’s “sight unseen” and typically try not to order things unless I have to.

Here’s a link to a photo of someone else’s FCG with the sear having been ground on->



You can check your gun real easy by taking out the FCG and dabbing a film of grease on the sear where it was ground on in the above photo.  Use your thumb to hold the safety flush with the side of the frame in the “fire” position, then drop the FCG in and take it back out.  When you pull the safety back out, you’ll be able to see the grease on the flat that needs to be filed down.  The good news is that the safety “rod” is not hardened and that made filing it with exceptional accuracy rather easy.

Anyways once the safety is properly fitted and working, I think it’s a good thing to have.  It’s in the same place and operates like a 1911a1 and is arguably the “best” of the add-on safety of any of the Tokarev models.

My biggest argument against these add-on safeties is that the average gun-buyer won’t realize that gun’s intended safety was the “half-cock lock” mode and think the thumb safety works like it does on most guns.  Any time the Tokarev is carried with a round in the chamber, the hammer needs to be pulled back to lock else the gun will discharge if dropped landing on the hammer.
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Re: Yugo M57 Tokarev Pistol
« Reply #48 on: May 25, 2011, 05:08:34 AM »
ECV,

Really appreciate the time you took to detail all of this and take the photos!  This will surely help get to the bottom of what's going on.  I have noticed that when I settle the hammer assembly into the frame, it sort of rides up a bit.  Hope I can get mine working slick as yours!

Chris.
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Re: Yugo M57 Tokarev Pistol
« Reply #49 on: May 25, 2011, 05:54:09 PM »
Quote from: Avyctes on May 25, 2011, 05:08:34 AM
I have noticed that when I settle the hammer assembly into the frame, it sort of rides up a bit.

Glad to help.

If you try setting the hammer assembly in the frame with the safety removed, and it settles down perfect - you'll know that yours has interference in the same place that mine did.
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Re: Yugo M57 Tokarev Pistol
« Reply #50 on: May 26, 2011, 04:26:01 AM »
That is exactly how it behaves.  Can't wait to get back on it and get rid of this problem.
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Re: Yugo M57 Tokarev Pistol
« Reply #51 on: July 14, 2011, 05:37:14 PM »
Quote from: ECV Slick on May 25, 2011, 05:54:09 PM
Quote from: Avyctes on May 25, 2011, 05:08:34 AM
I have noticed that when I settle the hammer assembly into the frame, it sort of rides up a bit.

Glad to help.

If you try setting the hammer assembly in the frame with the safety removed, and it settles down perfect - you'll know that yours has interference in the same place that mine did.

I found a video on you tube where a guy says to get the hammer assembly back into the frame you have to click the safety on, drop in the hammer assembly then set the gun to fire and the hammer assy. drops in flush with the frame (he calls it the secret to installing the hammer assembly). When he goes to put the hammer assy. in with the safety set to fire it doesnt drop in all the way and pokes up in the front a little bit.  Heres the link it starts at the 4:10 mark http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWWrpZhwhc8   Would this be indicative of this same problem you guys are talking about, and the safety needing a little filing?
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I noticed on the other 3 or 4 m57 videos I watched nobody had a problem dropping their hammer assembly in and all the safetys are set to the fire position and the hammer assy. drops in flush roght away no one mentions it and everything goes back together perfect.
Thanks for a response, not having a problem with my gun but like to learn as much as i can for the future if needed
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Re: Yugo M57 Tokarev Pistol
« Reply #52 on: July 14, 2011, 09:37:44 PM »
Quote from: ac398 on July 14, 2011, 05:37:14 PM
I found a video on you tube where a guy says to get the hammer assembly back into the frame you have to click the safety on, drop in the hammer assembly then set the gun to fire and the hammer assy. drops in flush with the frame (he calls it the secret to installing the hammer assembly). When he goes to put the hammer assy. in with the safety set to fire it doesnt drop in all the way and pokes up in the front a little bit.  Heres the link it starts at the 4:27 mark http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWWrpZhwhc8   Would this be indicative of this same problem you guys are talking about, and the safety needing a little filing?

Yep - that's EXACTLY the problem...  That guy's safety doesn't have sufficient clearance.  I've never heard of there being any "secret" to moving the safety in order to drop the FCG into the frame.  My first M57 dropped right in and worked perfectly from day 1.  My second M57 refused to drop the hammer unless the safety was completely removed from the gun...

It's not an obvious easy to find problem and it was only easier for me because I had a gun that worked properly to compare against.  I'd have to assume that the guy in the video is unaware that his safety has this problem because there's a "window" where the problem exists but the hammer will still drop when the trigger is pulled.  My safety was a bit worse than his since as I filed it down there was a "window" where the hammer started dropping but the clearance problem still existed.

Since the safety is so easy to "file / check fit / file", I just filed it down until it matched the trigger on my first M57 so they would feel identical.  In retrospect, one could say that I may have introduced a bit more over-travel than necessary, but my desire to achieve identical function of both pistols outweighed my desire for minimum over-travel.

I've concluded that this problem occurs as a result of the drill-bit wandering when they drill the hole for the safety.  We're only talking about a few ten-thousands of clearance between not working and working perfect.

Oh yeah - Welcome to the forum!
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Re: Yugo M57 Tokarev Pistol
« Reply #53 on: July 19, 2011, 02:00:01 PM »
Alright well now Im having a big problem with the magazines on my new m57, I wanna see if you guys have any experience with this Gun and mags have been completely dissassembled incl. firing pin and cleaned, no cosmo anywhere. The slide wont hold open with empty mag on both mags pkus some other wierd problems.
 
The first mag inserts smoothly and if i dont rack the slide will fall out smoothly.  When i rack the slide with the mag empty it doesnt hold open and when i hit the mag release i have to pull kinda hard to get the mag out.  Then if i rack the slide and dryfire it with the mag inside, the magazine really doesnt wanna come out and i really gotta work it or hold the slide open and push down on the follower while pressing the mag release to get the mag to drop. FIXED = The mag follower was a little bent, bent it back a little and it reliably holds open now.

The second mag catches a little bit when being inserted so when I hit the mag release it needs to be barely pulled on to drop the mag.  When I rack the slide it also doesnt hold open but nothing else. changes  But if I rack the slide and manually engage the slide stop, after releasing the slide stop this mag is completely locked up, it wont drop at all no matter how strong you are until dry firing the weapon (manually lowering the hammer wont do it), or if i hold the slide open with my hands when i push on the follower it doesnt move down at all but after I close the slide the mag will come out.    Also with this mag it is more difficult to engage the slide stop manually, just the tip of the slide stop/ takedown pin will catch in the notch unless I really work it up in there.  FIXED kinda- this follower is also bent but this one is more mussed up and the angles are definitely off, am sending back to classic and theyre send me a new one
 
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Re: Yugo M57 Tokarev Pistol
« Reply #54 on: July 19, 2011, 05:45:40 PM »
Without the ability to check your Tokarev out (in person), I can only suggest that you try a few things.

If you're up for that, then remove the safety and check the gun over again without it.  The add-on safety's that are required to import these guns cause 98% of the problems in them running right.

Let us know what you find and we'll go from there.
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Re: Yugo M57 Tokarev Pistol
« Reply #55 on: November 10, 2011, 05:30:41 AM »
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Slick,

Meant to ask earlier, but where did you get the black Yugo holster? 
I believe it's the only one I've seen.  Did you work some magic on it, or did it come black?

Chris.

Never mind, found it!

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Re: Yugo M57 Tokarev Pistol
« Reply #56 on: November 17, 2011, 05:57:06 AM »
Avyctes,
               I want to thank you for posting about Wideners, I have ordered from them a couple of times now and have been very happy with each order. Thanks for the info.
                                                             
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Re: Yugo M57 Tokarev Pistol
« Reply #57 on: November 17, 2011, 08:00:21 AM »
Flip,

You're welcome.  I just got a Walther P1 from then a short time ago, very happy with it.  Looks almost new.
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