Sharia law- it's OK in Oklahoma!!

[powderman]

The Courts provided for in subsection A of this section, when exercising their judicial authority, shall uphold and adhere to the law as provided in the United States Constitution, the Oklahoma Constitution, the United States Code, federal regulations promulgated pursuant thereto, established common law, the Oklahoma Statutes and rules promulgated pursuant thereto, and if necessary the law of another state of the United States provided the law of the other state does not include Sharia Law, in making judicial decisions. The courts shall not look to the legal precepts of other nations or cultures. Specifically, the courts shall not consider international law or Sharia Law. The provisions of this subsection shall apply to all cases before the respective courts including, but not limited to, cases of first impression” (emphasis added).

 
 
That pretty well explains why imam obama is against the Okies as well as the sympathizers and promoters here. POWDERMAN. 

[scootrd]

Excuse me, but did you guys read the last paragraph of the article..?? What Attorney Feldman said?  He said:.
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Problem doesn't exist, lawyer says
Although Islam’s detractors suggest that “creeping sharia,” left unchecked, will undermine U.S. freedoms, Feldman says that these laws play on fears of a problem that does not exist.
“The Constitution of the United States, and the constitution of every state -- that is 51 constitutions -- already make it illegal to implement Islamic law,” said Feldman. “Just as Jewish law can’t be the law of the United States, and canon law can’t be the law of the United States, sharia law can’t be the law of the United States.”
“It’s like a law that says we absolutely ban alligators on the South Pole,” he said.

Whoa, TM7 - who the hell are you to use the truth to undermine a good xenophobic rant?

+1.

Too Funny ..

Now you have gone and taken all the wind and Hysteria out of previous posters sails.

[yellowtail3]

A write-up from the Washington Post on reich-wing anti-Muslim/'Sharia' nuttery...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/debunking-the-rights-crackpot-sharia-panic/2011/03/04/AFMFYr9B_blog.html

EXCERPT:

Consider that 33 percent of Americans believe the Bible to be the literal word of G-d. But despite this, American Jews nevertheless resist stoning disobedient sons and Christians do not kill non-Christians, even though this is what Christians or Jews would do if they acted, respectively, on a literal reading Luke or Deuteronomy.[size=78%][/q][/size]


The root of sharia panic is the idea that American Muslims, acting on an obtuse and Medeival interpretation of Islamic principles, will act inconcert with each other to destroy the United States and replace it with an Islamic theocracy. The point of the report is not to deny that harsh, unconscionable interpretations of sharia don’t exist, or that these don’t result in heinous violations of human rights in some Muslim countries. But the sharia panic that is driving state legislatures to try and criminalize Islam, and making GOP presidential candidates fearful of even looking tolerant of Muslims, is based on an understanding of the religion that would be analogous to treating the bombing of an abortion clinic as the only true possible interpretation of Christianity.

As the report points out, despite the fact that America is a mostly Christian country, even the religious right has failed to eliminate the wall between church and state. The notion that American Muslims, who represent less than one percent of the population could possibly do so is ludicrous, an argument that belongs in the same category as doubts about the president’s citizenship.

[powderman]

HEH. Still drumming up support for islam I see. POWDERMAN. 

[yellowtail3]

HEH. Still drumming up support for islam I see. POWDERMAN. 

Naw; just challenging you to back up what you post with something other than prejudices & , hysteria. So far, you've not done it. Here's hoping you will, at some point.

[lakota]

I guess countless beheadings, stonings, suicide bombings, "honor" killings and barbaric acts ad naseum world wide arent enough to "back it up" so go ahead and stick your head back in the sand-its all good!

[Hooker]

The Courts provided for in subsection A of this section, when exercising their judicial authority, shall uphold and adhere to the law as provided in the United States Constitution, the Oklahoma Constitution, the United States Code, federal regulations promulgated pursuant thereto, established common law, the Oklahoma Statutes and rules promulgated pursuant thereto, and if necessary the law of another state of the United States provided the law of the other state does not include Sharia Law, in making judicial decisions. The courts shall not look to the legal precepts of other nations or cultures. Specifically, the courts shall not consider international law or Sharia Law. The provisions of this subsection shall apply to all cases before the respective courts including, but not limited to, cases of first impression” (emphasis added).

 
 
That pretty well explains why imam obama is against the Okies as well as the sympathizers and promoters here. POWDERMAN. 

But the courts in this case are claiming sharia has protection under the first amendment which it does not.
Their actions set up a precedence which gives it perceived religious status and therefore protection under the Constitution.
Which in turn gives it credence as a legal argument. No it has not happened yet but, it is a possibility.
I don't much about where y'all come from but here in Oklahoma we prefer to stomps snakes before they bite us.

Powderman  Okies don't care whether that infestation in the white house likes us or not because we sure heck don't like him.

Pat

[powderman]

HOOKER. Good post Sir. I hope yall tell imam obama and his co conspiritors to GET OUT. POWDERMAN. 

[wralyn]

Well I'm no expert on stupid so I'll have to take your word for it.
But banning vegetarian mountain lions isn't the same as banning a murderous cult legal system that violates human rights and constitutional law.
The legislation was past to insure that sharia was never to be allowed as a consideration with in our states legal system.
Sharia is not a religion it is a legal system that is promoted by a religion and as such has no protection under the first amendment.
So your precious federal courts were wrong again as usual.

What happens if an existing law is found to be in agreement with or even based on some tenet of Sharia law? Does that mean that particular law must be stricken? What if the state wants to enact a new law? It would be required to hire a legal team of Sharia scholars to scour Sharia law. What if a law is enacted and, 10 years later, found to be in violation of the Sharia ban? Would everyone convicted under that law have their sentences overturned? Would those people have the right to sue the state?

There has been a slew of over-simplified, well-meaning, but ill-conceived bills across that country that have been voted down or rightfully overturned because the unintended consequences were not taken into account. Common sense says...if it ain't broke don't fix it.

By the way, I've seen one post mentioning a couple of non-specific cases where Sharia was used. Are there any documented cases available? I'm interested to know exactly what it is that caused this panic to begin with...or is it paranoia?

[powderman]

WRALYN. I posted them before but I'm not going to try digging them up again. One case was where a judge dismissed assault and rape charges that a muslim woman had filed against her husband. His lawyer argued it was his right under sharia law and the libby judge agreed. Can't remember the specifics of the other one. I believe the states involved were Fla and TN, can't remember for sure. POWDERMAN. 

[Alaska Dave]

If they want to live here they need to follow our laws the same as we do. If they cannot accomplish that then they need to go back to wherever they came from.

[lakota]

I wonder how many discussions like this took place in France as the muslim minority grew weary with the majority failing to submit to their will and began rioting and burning Paris?

[wralyn]

WRALYN. I posted them before but I'm not going to try digging them up again. One case was where a judge dismissed assault and rape charges that a muslim woman had filed against her husband. His lawyer argued it was his right under sharia law and the libby judge agreed. Can't remember the specifics of the other one. I believe the states involved were Fla and TN, can't remember for sure. POWDERMAN. 

For the record, I wasn't trying to say they didn't exist...just that with all the hype around the issue you would think cases would abound and be easily documented. My brief Google searches didn't pull up much, but I did find a civil case in FL where Circuit Court Judge Nielsen invoked allowed Sharia to be used in a civil case despite opposition by one of the parties involved.  According to the information I found online, both FL and TN have elected Circuit Court judges. The people elected them and they can vote them out.

My concern is the same as the liberal agenda for gun control. We already have laws on the books to protect people against the bad guys. They need to be enforced. Vote out the judges, call for a special election,  whatever needs to be done. Forcing an unwilling party in a legal issue to be bound by Sharia law has got to violate that party's Constitutional rights in some form or another. If it doesn't, then this needs be changed in an orderly, well thought out manner that minimizes unintended consequences. It's not going to be solved by a knee-jerk response slapped onto the next ballot.

[powderman]

WRALYN. Good post, you did find that sharia has been used in FLA and theres no doubt in my mind elsewhere accross America. No doubt in my mind the libby media covers it up. As long as there are judges like that we need a law prohibiting sharia being used here in the United States for anything. It does not belong here. POWDERMAN. 

[SwampThing762]

Pman is right.  If you want to live your life under sharia law, and not US civil and criminal law, go back where you came from.

ST762