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Offline Casull

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Re: 1000's involved with Cold War Secret...no leaks...
« Reply #60 on: January 13, 2012, 05:59:15 AM »
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Like I said earlier Casull, there are way to many people on this forum that want me to accept their word as gospel in the matter.

 
 
Yep, and tm just wants you to accept some other person's word as fact.  Guess that works for you.    ::) 
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Re: 1000's involved with Cold War Secret...no leaks...
« Reply #61 on: January 13, 2012, 06:08:58 AM »
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Sounds like the definition of a troll. 

My dad, the coffee shop troll.  Sounds about right  ::)
 
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Yep, and tm just wants you to accept some other person's word as fact.  Guess that works for you.    ::) 

Well bud, at least tm7 tries...  ;D
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Re: 1000's involved with Cold War Secret...no leaks...
« Reply #62 on: January 13, 2012, 09:05:45 AM »
I've been to that 'pilotsfor911truth' site and it's mostly malarky.
people that know the truth don't need to build web sites.
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Re: 1000's involved with Cold War Secret...no leaks...
« Reply #63 on: January 13, 2012, 11:52:48 AM »
well TM7, I guess this "floor sweeper" was just real observant all those years.
All of those aircraft were tracked by radar as they made their turns and headed for D.C. and NYC.
The complete history of the events on 9-11 and the history of the hijackers during their doings here in the good-ole USA is available from many sources if you're really interested.
I have been to pilotsfor911truth and have never read so much BS in my life. those are a real bunch of pea-brains. "notice that I didn't call you a name, only the faux pilots."
I see that you got the "floor sweeper" from SSS.  since he doesn't know what I did for a living, that shows that you will take any kind of BS as gospel and attempt to spread here at this site.
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Re: 1000's involved with Cold War Secret...no leaks...
« Reply #64 on: January 14, 2012, 06:53:12 AM »
nothing is confirmed, just dis-info by pea-brains.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/impacts.html

here ya go.
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Re: 1000's involved with Cold War Secret...no leaks...
« Reply #65 on: January 14, 2012, 07:16:00 AM »
Of course there is NO confirmation.  If there were, we'd be reading it in the papers or seeing it on the televised news, not seeing posts from some conspiracy website.  And, please, no bs about how all the news networks are in on it or won't show it.  They would show their mothers drunk if it would increase ratings.
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Re: 1000's involved with Cold War Secret...no leaks...
« Reply #66 on: January 14, 2012, 09:00:42 AM »
I've been to that 'pilotsfor911truth' site and it's mostly malarky.
people that know the truth don't need to build web sites.

 
Bugeye, when you were a Delta pilot, what types of airplanes did you fly and how many hours did you log on each one?
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Re: 1000's involved with Cold War Secret...no leaks...
« Reply #67 on: January 14, 2012, 09:48:11 PM »
Alright gentleman I am going to ask nicely once. It is highly recommended that you address the TOPIC ONLY, and please quit bickering about how each other chooses to present information. Thank you, and have a lovely day.-Heather
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Re: 1000's involved with Cold War Secret...no leaks...
« Reply #68 on: January 15, 2012, 02:34:47 AM »
I've been to that 'pilotsfor911truth' site and it's mostly malarky.
people that know the truth don't need to build web sites.

 
Bugeye, when you were a Delta pilot, what types of airplanes did you fly and how many hours did you log on each one?
I never said I was a pilot. I can fly a plane and I spent many hours in the jump-seat.
I told pilots where to go.
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Re: 1000's involved with Cold War Secret...no leaks...
« Reply #69 on: January 15, 2012, 06:41:43 AM »
Nuke...a clearinghouse?...try pilotsfor911truth, or architectsandengineersfro911truth, or patriotsquestion911, or bushstole04.com....
 
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What you meant to say to my question about peer reviewed work to support alternate explanations for 9/11 or portions of it is “no, there isn’t”.
 
 
 
And at that point the whole “expert” discussion comes off the rails.  The 9/11 truther movement loves to hold these “experts” up as their best evidence that something is amiss, after all, if an engineer or air transport expert sees something suspect then something must be wrong about the government version.
 
 
 
Of course the professional world realizes most of all that professionals make their case by producing academic works that are peer reviewed by professional journals, institutions or associations.  They make their case, present their evidence and then allow peers that are experts in the area to validate or at least confirm as plausible their results.
 
 
 
Are the air traffic control issues you posted factual, who knows?  It’s a one way analysis posted on an internet site, there isn’t any independent review to confirm the findings.  A properly researched and presented paper to the major aviation journals and professional associations would be appropriate.
 
 
 
The “expert” conspiracy theory issue is an interesting one, an illustrative case is the “faked” Apollo moon landing conspiracy.  That conspiracy gained allot of momentum back in the 1960s because of the supposed “experts” saying that NASA had faked it.  As you dug into those “expert” claims you see allot of the same patterns as the 9/11 truther movement:
 
- “Experts” making claims outside their areas of academic study; physicists claiming things in aeronautical engineering, engineers claiming things about photography, etc.
 
- Similar failure to produce academic works to support their claims
 
- When and if proof ever comes to light to support the established story they alter their conspiracy claim to work around that proof. 
 
 
 
The Apollo conspiracy community (still going strong after all these decades) was recently seriously challenged when orbiting lunar satellites starting producing detailed photos that show the Apollo landing sights, in enough detail to clearly show once and for all (or so we thought) that the landings were real.  The Apollo truthers, thus faced with final proof that they were wrong, shifted their theory.  They now claim that NASA did land on the moon, but that they used robots instead of men.
 

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Re: 1000's involved with Cold War Secret...no leaks...
« Reply #70 on: January 15, 2012, 11:19:59 AM »
 Over 10 years since 9/11 and no professional has published or attempted to publish a professional document explaining their position, and there have been calls for them to do so.  The engineering community has been pretty vocal for engineer truther to explain their position.  There have been peer reviewed paper from the engineering community on the destruction of the WTC, on the other hand when pressed the truther side falls back on “nano-thermite” as an excuse why they can’t produce a demolition plan for analysis to support an alternate theory.  They can claim that “nano-thermite” is some super-secret item that defies knowledge and explanation, so they unfortunately cannot produce their own detailed demolition plan as a plausible explanation.  At this point I’d be willing to read anything the truther side submits for professional review, even if its rejected, because the rejection would at least have to include a detailed explanation why it was rejected.
 
 

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Re: 1000's involved with Cold War Secret...no leaks...
« Reply #71 on: January 15, 2012, 11:20:33 AM »
I think a reasonable person could argue the feasibility of government plants on the internet.  Not saying here mind you. No stones tossed in anyone's direction. Disinformation/deception is the hallmark of winning the hearts and minds. Like I've told friends and family....much of what we think we know is simply not so.


TM7.....you're a very smart guy.


 Thank you for your efforts...