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Brazil is biggest gun exporter to the US
« on: January 16, 2012, 06:47:42 PM »
From the Scripps Howard News Service:

 "A new statistical snapshot of firearms commerce in the United States shows the nation imports about 16 times more guns each year than it exports.
  A recently released report by the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives calculates that in 2010, the United States imported more than 2.8 million firearms.
  U.S. exports in 2009, the most recent year with comparable data, amounted to only 195,000 firearms.  As in years past, Brazil by far led the world in firearm exports to the U.S. last year with about 741,000; all but 215,000 of those were handguns.  Canada shipped the most rifles of any country - 155,000 - to its neighbor to the south.
  The ATF report also maps the location of the 2.85 million registered weapons in the nation last year.  California came in first, with 243,000, followed by Texas (224,000), and Virginia (202,000).  Virginia is the machine-gun capital, with 28,700 registered.  Pennsylvania is home to the most short-barreled shotguns, 11,000.  The most silencers (29,000) can be found in Georgia.  The most short-barreled rifles (11,000) were in Texas."

Considering the number of SKS's and AK clones imported into the US.  I would have thought that the old "iron curtain countries, including China were the biggest exporters of firearms to the US.
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Re: Brazil is biggest gun exporter to the US
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2012, 07:07:13 PM »
The Reagan and Clinton Bans did away with most of the iron curtain imports. I think when it comes to an AK today it is either made in the US or a parts kit assembled in the US. What Reagan didn't kill while he was in office, he mopped up after leaving by supporting the Brady Bill. A funny thing, one regarded as one of the best Republicans in recent history was a worse gun grabber than many of the Dems as president in the last 100 years.
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Re: Brazil is biggest gun exporter to the US
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2012, 03:31:24 AM »
The article said the most of what brazil exported to the us was handguns.  That means Taurus, Rossi, ect...
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Re: Brazil is biggest gun exporter to the US
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2012, 03:46:15 AM »
I'm one of their happy customers, with 7 of their products (5 handguns, 2 rifles) in my armory. Granted, as I can, I upgrade to made in the USA, but none of them have let me down. Brazil has targeted the sporting arms, hunting and CCW crowd. All that's coming from the East are military/LEO knock offs.
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Re: Brazil is biggest gun exporter to the US
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2012, 06:52:19 AM »
Quote from: TM7 on January 17, 2012, 06:38:58 AM
But I do like that Mod-62 pumper, though.
 
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Should you ever tire of its company, think of me :D
I'd love to pick one of those up. I wish Henry would pick up the pump takedown .22 rifle, and sell it at a sensible price. That's why there's such a market in the US - price. American gun companies have priced their product out of reach of the entry level consumer. KelTec, HiPoint are selling plastic shooters for under $400, which will only get you 1/2 way on current production S&W, Ruger ... does Colt still exist?
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Re: Brazil is biggest gun exporter to the US
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2012, 11:45:40 AM »
They make good stuff. Brazil is a big player in a lot of industries. Very advanced aviation industry, too. And their women are hawt.


I'm got a jones for one of these Taurus 709s....
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Re: Brazil is biggest gun exporter to the US
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2012, 04:33:57 PM »
Quote from: yellowtail3 on January 17, 2012, 11:45:40 AM
They make good stuff. Brazil is a big player in a lot of industries. Very advanced aviation industry, too. And their women are hawt.


I'm got a jones for one of these Taurus 709s....
If you mean "hawt" like the temperature, I couldn't agree more.
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Re: Brazil is biggest gun exporter to the US
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2012, 11:38:44 PM »
I think he means "hawt" as in attractive features... I have to second that as well.
 
As far as their guns go they are mid level.  My wife had a rossi .38 spl snubby.  It functioned perfectly well and the bluing was great, but it felt a little gritty in the action and the rubber grips didn't quite fit right. 
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Re: Brazil is biggest gun exporter to the US
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2012, 12:44:10 AM »
Well thumbs up to Brazil.
 
  TN is right about US companies pricing themselves out of market share.  Even Savage/Stevens is doing it.  Shame.
 
  It's kind of surprising that the US is a net importer of guns.  For generations we were the lend/lease suplier of bang-bang hardware to the world.  Now we are importing guns faster than we can send them out the door.  You wouldn't know it if you just followed the major media 'news'.  If you just watch TV you'd think it was the evil American guns that were casuing all the world's ills.
 
  Rossi/ Braztech/ Puma have come a long way in the last twenty years.  I have a few and like what I have.  Nothing spectacular but good, practical hardware.
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Re: Brazil is biggest gun exporter to the US
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2012, 03:18:39 AM »
Sure, we would all like to have everything cheaper but we must be realistic. I am amazed that US companies can turn out firearms as cheaply as most are priced at. I bought a new Ruger Mark I Target pistol with the 5.5 bull barrel in 1971 for $60 new. A new Mark III would cost about six times as much now. Gas costs about 10 times what it did in 71, cars cost about the same 10 times. Lets not even talk about how much medical and college costs have gone up. keeping it all relative the gun companies are doing a pretty good job of keeping prices reasonable on most firearms.
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Re: Brazil is biggest gun exporter to the US
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2012, 07:39:34 AM »
guzzijohn, I think you're point is valid ... to a point :D Obviously everything did not go up 10 fold; parts of the process are cheaper now (relatively) than they were in 1971 thanks to technology, improved science, and carryover engineering from other disciplines. So there is some padding in the price tag ... and I have to ask if its too much, when Rossi and Taurus, who's ads all tout advanced machining and metallurgy, can make a clone of an S&W DA and sell it for 1/2 price. I own enough of both makers to say that a spring kit and a good tear down and cleaning is a whole lot cheaper than buying a Smith. And some of my Smiths needed that too.
 
I think the numbers are showing us that Joe Average is willing to spend $400 for a new reliable 357 revolver, but not $700. I think its interesting that Brazil beat S&W to the punch on a shotgun caliber revolver, and not only mastered it, but expanded it to where they're the benchmark. S&W withdrew their entry if I read it right. Brazil gave us the revolving carbine, the mare's leg, the Judge, a convertible DA revolver, 92 clones, lever 410, a price point switch barrel singleshot to undercut Handi - I don't think Savage could get back in the budget singleshot game if they wanted to. Before RIA, the Brazillian entry level 1911 came with features of guns priced for twice as much, and mine is a head turner at the range. And they dropped a 30-30 lever gun on the market for a working man's price right when Remington is fumbling the Marlin brand, dropping quality but keeping prices high.
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Re: Brazil is biggest gun exporter to the US
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2012, 08:40:28 AM »
I am going to take a guess here but I would think that labor and operations costs are considerably lower in Brazil than here. In 2010 the minimum wage in Brazil was $2.48 an hour in American dollars. Compare that to $7.25 here. I would also guess that less benefits are afford too. I would also guess that they do not have as much costly regulations to do manufacturing under as here. Last I would also guess that top management does not get anywhere near the compensation as top managers do here in most companies. With that taken into account I bet things are close to the same.
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