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Re: 43 Spanish plinking
« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2012, 04:32:36 AM »
I have been shooting BP guns, both MZs and Cartridge since I was 14.
I am 54 now so that makes 40 years so far.
I have used Elephant brand, Goex, Swiss, Pyrodex, Tripple 7, Clean Shot, Clear Shot and I can tell you that it is all corrosive.
It all will cause a gun to rust if it is not cleaned properly
The only one I have not used is BH209 so I can't say if it is corrosive or not.
As far as clean up goes, I never use water on a gun!
Used to do that and had nothing but rust problems.
Now I use a good bore cleaner of different brands and follow that up with a complete wipe down inside and out with Rig grease and have never had another problem with rust on a gun since.
As for the brass casings I do clean them with soppy water, let dry and them tumble clean.
Have been thinking of getting one of the new ultra sonic cleaners to try on brass used for BP and see how well it does.
I also have a few rolling blocks that I shoot.
Two 7x57s (one a 1897 #1 action and the other a smokeless 1902 #5 action) and three #1 action 1879 Argentine models (one rifle in 43 Reformado and one each, rifle and carbine in 11.15x58R) along with a #4 in 22 cal.
I was lucky enough to have found a good supply of new bell brass for the 11.15 back in the 70s along with 80 rounds of new ammo.
In BP form the 43 holds a few grains more powder than does the 45-70,  77-78  IIRC.
I can tell you that the 43 will put a deer down just as fast as the 45-70 also.
In the real world you can't tell the difference between the two loadings, 45-70 with a 405gr lead bullet or the 11.15 with a 385-387gr lead bullet when loaded with BP.
Both hit between 1300-1400 fps out of a standard length rifle barrel.
 
 
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Re: 43 Spanish plinking
« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2012, 04:53:17 AM »
Longtom the ultra sonic cleaner works real well with the bp residue in case, but the cases come out with a dull finish and still need tumbling. I do like it for cleaning up a small batch of cases to keep them from corroding.
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Re: 43 Spanish plinking
« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2012, 03:50:15 AM »
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The only one I have not used is BH209 so I can't say if it is corrosive or not.
BH209 is a nitrocellulose based powder.  Subject to humidity, it too will rust the bore.
http://www.theopenrange.net/forum/index.php?topic=6150.0

Don't understand why you are skittish using water.  Hot water has been used since the beginning of time to remove BP foul.  Followed by oiling.  After patching with water, I use a product called Eexox.  It is a cleaner - lubricant and rust preventative.  I have found no product that is better and so have other BPCR shooters.

As for cleaning cases, you may want to consider a rotary tumbler - Strat-O-Sheen as the burnishing solution with a small squirt of Dawn and 3mm polishing media.  Primer pockets - inside/outside of cases look like new 
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Re: 43 Spanish plinking
« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2012, 03:55:28 AM »
John where do you get the stratosheen? I've been having good luck with just simple green and water with the ceramics in the thumlers.
This Hornady ultrasonic is working very well for preserving these 44-77 cases, as I'm only getting maybe 20 fireformed on most outings, it's really not enough to fire up the thumlers.
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Re: 43 Spanish plinking
« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2012, 09:59:39 AM »
I know that everyone uses water but I had nothing but rust problems.
Some said I wasn't getting the water hot enough to dry itself out so the last time I used water I put it on the stove and brought it to a boil and had the barrel so hot that I had to wrap a big towel around it just to hold it so I know that was plenty hot.
Afterwards I dried it good inside and out and put plenty of oil on and in it and put it away.
A few months latter I looked at it and it was covered with rust.
Gave up on the water and now just use the cleaner and rig grease with no more rust problems.
 
 
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Re: 43 Spanish plinking
« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2012, 12:46:33 PM »
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John where do you get the stratosheen?
Don, I buy Strat-O-Sheen from a lapidary store in Arizona, Rio Grande.
Here's the link ... http://www.riogrande.com/Product/Strat-O-Sheen-Powder-Burnishing-Compound-25-lbs/33901725
It's concentrated powder with a mix of 3 oz to 1 gal water
  Put a spritz of Dawn in the rotary too
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Re: 43 Spanish plinking
« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2012, 12:55:45 PM »
OK Tom, so you get rusting rifles after you clean and lube them...
Would you believe there's a product that was on a #3 steel wool ball for 9 MONTHS exposed to the elements!
Here's the test I did ... http://www.theopenrange.net/forum/index.php?topic=5457.0

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A few months latter I looked at it and it was covered with rust.
Tom, the only way that could have happened was the firearm was exposed to high humidity over those months.  It is recommended that firearms be stored in 50% Humidity at 70F
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Re: 43 Spanish plinking
« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2012, 02:24:55 PM »
i dont use pyrodex anymore. it did seem more corrosive to me. not a big deal tho since i clean my guns right away with hot soapy water.in my area it is higher priced than regular blackpowder.if i could get it for what swampy is gettin it for id prob buy a ton of it. it dont scare me, it does work well.i just like black powder better.
i just decided if i was goin primitive i was goin with black powder. there are lots of substitutes, and they are all good.but i like to do things like our forefathers did, occasionally.

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Re: 43 Spanish plinking
« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2012, 02:53:29 PM »
OK Tom, so you get rusting rifles after you clean and lube them...
Would you believe there's a product that was on a #3 steel wool ball for 9 MONTHS exposed to the elements!
Here's the test I did ... http://www.theopenrange.net/forum/index.php?topic=5457.0

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A few months latter I looked at it and it was covered with rust.
Tom, the only way that could have happened was the firearm was exposed to high humidity over those months.  It is recommended that firearms be stored in 50% Humidity at 70F

Now that is impressive!
I will be getting some Eexox for sure!!!
 
The gun was stored along with at least 20 other guns in the same safe and they never had any rust on them.
The gun in question was my first MZ.
It was an older model Hawkens kit gun I had bought used..
Had never had that much rust problem on any other BP gun since.
The rig grease has stopped all my rusting problems on BP guns but I will give Eexox a try.
I just looked up the dealers for Eexox in VA and one of my local gun shops has it.
I will be there Sunday and get a can while there.
Thanks for the info.
 
 
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Re: 43 Spanish plinking
« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2012, 02:55:19 PM »
Thanks John, I've got some stuff real similar to that I may just give it a whirl the next time I fire up the thumlers.
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