Shot a Single Action. I'm surprised.

[Duke0313]

Don't like Bisley's...think they're ugly! JMO

[mannyrock]

 
Hi GB,
 
    Having practiced law for 30 years, I am extremely confident that I would win the case, whether Uberti showed up with a lawyer or not. 
 
    If Uberti doesn't have a repair facility in the U.S., then fortunately that comes under the category of their problem, not the Buyer's.  If they can't repair, then that's fine, they have to pay.
 
   Based on the gun tested in the G&A article, if it is hitting 3.5 inches to the left at 15 yards, then that's gonna be about 12 inches to the left at 50 yards!  Again, it would be off by almost a foot.
 
  Apparently,  Uberti isn't advertising the revolver as a piece suitable only for cowboy action shooting and man-sized targets up to 15 yards.   If they did, then that would be different.
 
   Happily, I live in the Shenandoah Valley, where folks appreciate guns and use them as tools.  Believe me, they would trash Uberti on this one.
 
Best, Mannyrock

[guzzijohn]

mannyrock,
For whatever reasons many SAs seem to shoot to the left. If you saw my post in the BH vs traditional SAs you can see my posted target which shows my Uberti El Patron shooting to POA. It cost a bit more than a standard Cattleman but that was for the factory cost of a tuned action, trigger and it leaving the factory shooting POA. Locally the price for the Stampede was the same as I paid for the El Patron, but both are made by Uberti.
GuzziJohn

[mannyrock]

 
Guzzi,
 
   It is absolutely amazing that with laser guided machinery, and CNC equipment, Uberti can't line up a steel front post with a rear sight slot.   Glad you got one that is.
 
   If Uberti was honest, and put a label on the  box that said: " NOTE- This $600 revolver is likely to shoot from six inches to one foot to the left at 50 yards, and we don't fix em!", I wonder how many they would sell?  Answer: not many.
 
Mannyrock

[Lloyd Smale]

sure dont agree

Don't like Bisley's...think they're ugly! JMO

[Swampman]

Don't like Bisley's...think they're ugly! JMO

I agree, I don't see the point.

[oldandslow]

I love the single actions. I still have the single six I purchased back in 1960. It was just the first of several and I still have everyone of them. I play with double actions and semis but nothing fells better or shoots better than a single action. The best fitting handgun I've ever shot is the 1860 Colt Army. Too bad no one uses that grip frame today.
 
The Bisley just doesn't feel "right" to me. It's clumsy feeling so I've never shot one. Another minus is that to me, thay are ugly.

[Lloyd Smale]

The two guns pictured are 500 linebaughs. I DARE YOU TO SHOOT full power loads out of a 500 linebaugh on a blackhawk grip frame. Ive done it and bled! Anyone who doesnt notice a vast improvement in the  bisleys ability to handle recoil hasnt shot both with really heavy recoil side by side. They also point more naturaly then a plow handle grip frame. thats why they were used for target competition back in the day. That been said i can shoot a plow handle just fine too but have allways found that keeping a consistant grip in both placement and tension has allways been easier with a bisley. I also think accuracy off hand is improved with them because they not only handle recoil better but seem to recoil more consitantly in the hand. Ive probably got equal quantitys of both grip frames so have no predudices. But personaly id take a bisley hands down for hunting or general shooting. to me if you want a hunting single action get a bisley. If you want to play cowboy go with a plow handle. I can remember the first bisley i ever saw. It was a 7.5 inch 44 mag. I thought it was dog ugly and to be honest still think long barreled bisleys are a bit homely. But just to find out what it was all about i bought that 44 and shot the snot out of it with very heavy 300 grain plus loads and found out theres a lot of beauty in function! 

Don't like Bisley's...think they're ugly! JMO

I agree, I don't see the point.

[flmason]

I love the single actions. I still have the single six I purchased back in 1960. It was just the first of several and I still have everyone of them. I play with double actions and semis but nothing fells better or shoots better than a single action. The best fitting handgun I've ever shot is the 1860 Colt Army. Too bad no one uses that grip frame today.
 
The Bisley just doesn't feel "right" to me. It's clumsy feeling so I've never shot one. Another minus is that to me, thay are ugly.

Would've agreed on the 1860... then I tried a Walker, LOL!

[flmason]

The two guns pictured are 500 linebaughs. I DARE YOU TO SHOOT full power loads out of a 500 linebaugh on a blackhawk grip frame. Ive done it and bled! Anyone who doesnt notice a vast improvement in the  bisleys ability to handle recoil hasnt shot both with really heavy recoil side by side. They also point more naturaly then a plow handle grip frame. thats why they were used for target competition back in the day. That been said i can shoot a plow handle just fine too but have allways found that keeping a consistant grip in both placement and tension has allways been easier with a bisley. I also think accuracy off hand is improved with them because they not only handle recoil better but seem to recoil more consitantly in the hand. Ive probably got equal quantitys of both grip frames so have no predudices. But personaly id take a bisley hands down for hunting or general shooting. to me if you want a hunting single action get a bisley. If you want to play cowboy go with a plow handle. I can remember the first bisley i ever saw. It was a 7.5 inch 44 mag. I thought it was dog ugly and to be honest still think long barreled bisleys are a bit homely. But just to find out what it was all about i bought that 44 and shot the snot out of it with very heavy 300 grain plus loads and found out theres a lot of beauty in function! 

Don't like Bisley's...think they're ugly! JMO

I agree, I don't see the point.

You know, to me, almost all revolver grips, except those that fill in behind the trigger guard don't really point "right". Seems to me the the gun should point to where I'm pointing/looking as a matter of grip design. SA plowhandles do that when you hold then so you pinky is parallel to the bottom. Some, if not all DA style grips do that better. But really certain automatics do that best. Though many autos patently have the wrong grip angle for me personally. E.g. much as I love a 1911A1... it points high when my wrist is locked. CZ75 and some Sigs are better. Oddly, silly little Jennings J-22 is right on.

Anyway, I imagine it changes from person to person. For me, when my wrist is naturally locked in, a lot of auto's point high. Plow handle lets me adjust, but it isn't correct without some practice.  Smiths and SRH's are pretty good. That autos are either right or wrong altogether. Absolutely have to cock my wrist towards the ground with 1911A1. Flat mainspring housing helps some. Strikes me as odd that the designers don't take seem to take point shooting fit into consideration. Especially given the intended use for most handguns. Have often opined that the 1911A1 really had the correct angle to hit someone in the chest when the gun is fired from the hip.

[Lloyd Smale]

I guess everyone is a bit differnt and alot of it is what your used to shooting. to me a 1911 points like my finger but it probably should as ive no doubt probably shot hundreds of thousands  of rounds through them. I dont care for glocks. Not just because there plastic. I could live with that and they are a good reliable gun but i just cant get used to running one or the way they point. I do a bit better with a sig but its still not a 1911 in my hand. I guess the same goes for single actions. If your shooting loads factory level or less in the 44mag the blackhawk grip frame works fine. If thats what you been shooting all your life its probably going to instinctively point better then a bisley for you. Me, ive probably shot more single action rounds out of a bilsley and thats what my brain/hand coordiation works best with. I guess what im refering to in earlier posts is that ive had many beggining shooters and causal shooters out with me and to a man every one of them has agreed that with heavy recoiling guns and im talking even levels below factory 44 mag ammo that the bisleys are easier on them to shoot. Most but not all prefer the way it feels in the hand to a blackhawk too. Im not telling anyone there wrong because they dont like a bisley. If you like a blackhawk buy a blackhawk. heck ive probably have at least a dozen of them in the safe.

[flmason]

I guess everyone is a bit differnt and alot of it is what your used to shooting. to me a 1911 points like my finger but it probably should as ive no doubt probably shot hundreds of thousands  of rounds through them. I dont care for glocks. Not just because there plastic. I could live with that and they are a good reliable gun but i just cant get used to running one or the way they point. I do a bit better with a sig but its still not a 1911 in my hand. I guess the same goes for single actions. If your shooting loads factory level or less in the 44mag the blackhawk grip frame works fine. If thats what you been shooting all your life its probably going to instinctively point better then a bisley for you. Me, ive probably shot more single action rounds out of a bilsley and thats what my brain/hand coordiation works best with. I guess what im refering to in earlier posts is that ive had many beggining shooters and causal shooters out with me and to a man every one of them has agreed that with heavy recoiling guns and im talking even levels below factory 44 mag ammo that the bisleys are easier on them to shoot. Most but not all prefer the way it feels in the hand to a blackhawk too. Im not telling anyone there wrong because they dont like a bisley. If you like a blackhawk buy a blackhawk. heck ive probably have at least a dozen of them in the safe.

Oh yeah, we're all stating our opinions here. Have never handled a Bisley, so I can't comment on them. I will say, despite having used plowhandles a lot... you grip option I like... cuping the bottom of the grip with the offhand... is a painful experience with full house .44 with that grip. Corner pounds your palm. So despite familiarity, it's not my idea of ideal.

On the other hand, for one hand shooting of a single action, seems to work well because it does dive down, putting the hammer where you want it for the next shot.

Of course that's a non-issue with DA or auto.

Have not found my "idea" pistol yet. Probably never will as every direction has some compromise. Seems to be a theme with this stuff. If there was one "best" all the others would probably have been weeded out long ago.

[Lloyd Smale]

only problem with that is when you get into the real hard kickers it will put the hammer right in the web of your hand! ask me how i know

I guess everyone is a bit differnt and alot of it is what your used to shooting. to me a 1911 points like my finger but it probably should as ive no doubt probably shot hundreds of thousands  of rounds through them. I dont care for glocks. Not just because there plastic. I could live with that and they are a good reliable gun but i just cant get used to running one or the way they point. I do a bit better with a sig but its still not a 1911 in my hand. I guess the same goes for single actions. If your shooting loads factory level or less in the 44mag the blackhawk grip frame works fine. If thats what you been shooting all your life its probably going to instinctively point better then a bisley for you. Me, ive probably shot more single action rounds out of a bilsley and thats what my brain/hand coordiation works best with. I guess what im refering to in earlier posts is that ive had many beggining shooters and causal shooters out with me and to a man every one of them has agreed that with heavy recoiling guns and im talking even levels below factory 44 mag ammo that the bisleys are easier on them to shoot. Most but not all prefer the way it feels in the hand to a blackhawk too. Im not telling anyone there wrong because they dont like a bisley. If you like a blackhawk buy a blackhawk. heck ive probably have at least a dozen of them in the safe.

Oh yeah, we're all stating our opinions here. Have never handled a Bisley, so I can't comment on them. I will say, despite having used plowhandles a lot... you grip option I like... cuping the bottom of the grip with the offhand... is a painful experience with full house .44 with that grip. Corner pounds your palm. So despite familiarity, it's not my idea of ideal.

On the other hand, for one hand shooting of a single action, seems to work well because it does dive down, putting the hammer where you want it for the next shot.

Of course that's a non-issue with DA or auto.

Have not found my "idea" pistol yet. Probably never will as every direction has some compromise. Seems to be a theme with this stuff. If there was one "best" all the others would probably have been weeded out long ago.

[shaner]

i have a  beretta stampede myself casecolored and blued , 4 3/4in 45colt , i love this gun , even told family i want to be buried with it

[kynardsj]

As far as my personal SA's shooting to the left, I believe it's how I hold the gun and pull the trigger. I'm right handed and and notice with an empty gun that the barrel pulls slightly to the left and down when I touch it off. All of my pistols with adjustable sights have the rear sight way up and to the right. To shoot my Vaquero I hold the front sight to the right of the rear notch. I thought all this time it was just me having to do this to shoot straight. The hip shooting thing is a lot of fun too. I've been doing this a long time and if I don't hit what I'm shooting at I get close enough to scare it.