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Offline WSM264

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Info on 98 Mauser crest please
« on: March 23, 2012, 05:31:25 AM »
Can anybody tell me the country and any other info based on this crest.
 

 
 
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Re: Info on 98 Mauser crest please
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2012, 07:02:26 AM »
Hummmmm, lessee if we can figure it out here from historical ev-e-dance...
 
Now I would venture to state that the symbol isn't really a crest.  Ya see, back in '54, we was likein Ike.  Now he was a good Republican, but actually a better politician.  And the alphabet agencies were still feeling the socialistic fervor of decades of democratic party rule and they all wanted to expand their empires.
 
The IRS was no exception and figured their key word, revenue, gave them an "in" with Ike, the great compromiser, if it could expand the country's tax base.  So they looked to a newly emerging untapped resource, the importation of WWII surplus.
 
Since the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax Division of the IRS had experience with imported likker and Cuban smokes it was the natural choice to exploit this area.  Now remember, this was before importers had to report their inventory and stamp imported firearms.  So AT agents did it themselves, and this created a need for more agents, and so on.  You know the drill.   ::)
 
Anyway, they started scrubbing and stamping the receiver rings on all imported firearms.  The stamp they used was that of the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax Division, a large upper case combined A and T, commonly used at that time.
 
In order to give the division's new unit credit for this new source of revenue, credit that was needed to justify the division's expansion and track income by year, one small little line was added to the "T" on the stamp.  The result was the stamp now indicated "Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms!"
 
The success of their efforts is illustrated in the current name of that division; the ATF.  >:(
 
One can also surmise by the comparatively few weapons marked in this manner that this unit actually had little impact on either the imports themselves or the amount of revenue generated.  As a matter of fact, the cost of operating the unit probably greatly exceeded either the revenue generated or the benefits received by the taxpayer.   :(  But in so stating we are merely describing the operation of most government agencies...  ;)
 
I hope this has been of some help to you.
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Re: Info on 98 Mauser crest please
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2012, 07:35:39 AM »
It explains the stamp but I'd still like to know in which country it was manufactured.
Is the 1954 the import year or the manufacture year??
The side of the receiver has I.D. N.J. stamped above the S/N.  Maybe the ATF in New Jersey assigned it the S/N?? :-\
The side also has 98.  Th.  stamped in it.
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Re: Info on 98 Mauser crest please
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2012, 03:24:43 PM »
Got this link from another site - it answers a lot of questions
 
http://www.arms2armor.com/Firearms/turkishATF.htm
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Re: Info on 98 Mauser crest please
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2012, 04:52:59 PM »
All said,ya gotta admire the nice clear stamping work tho. ;)

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Re: Info on 98 Mauser crest please
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2012, 04:49:52 AM »
Well... um... er... ahem!  It seems I was a little off on my history of this particular piece.  Understandable misstatement given the markings...    ::)  Obviously it's a Gew 98 remodeled by the little known and short lived (one year - 1954) Turkish armory known as Arab Turkish Firearms (ATF).   8)
 
Uh, BTW, you do realise I don't have any idea what I'm talking about don't you?   :-\
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Re: Info on 98 Mauser crest please
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2012, 12:33:50 PM »
Atlaw is correct,  you have a mauser from Turkey.  Now whether it was actually made in Turkey, or just a German one rearsenaled by them is a different question that I don't know answer to. 

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Re: Info on 98 Mauser crest please
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2012, 12:43:58 AM »
They were Turkish rebuilds. Another interesting website:
 
http://www.turkmauser.com/models.aspx