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Offline charles p

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Re: .30 carbine
« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2012, 02:29:50 PM »
Did I read this correctly?  Someone was wanting a two inch group for a .30 carbine at 200 yds for home defense? 
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Re: .30 carbine
« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2012, 04:05:11 AM »
I don't know about group size but hitting a 5 gal bucket at 2-300 yards is not so hard. Really. I have owned several carbines and shot several more . Some were not so accurate others were good. One in particular was very accurate . So like most rifles the accuracy varries. I can also say if push was comming to shove and the choice was a 38 revolver , 9mm handgun or 30 carbine I would opt for the 30 carbine loaded with win HP ammo in a 30 round mag. Is it really a choice ?
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Re: .30 carbine
« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2012, 02:35:56 PM »
     Wow! 31 posts and no one has proclaimed the carbine to be "anemic", "underpowered", "worthless", etc. that I usually see on other web sights concerning the effectiveness of the carbine.  I guess folks here have enough experience with one to know that if used within it's designed capibilities it is a very effective weapon.  I saw several Marines in Viet Nam hit by carbines. I have no way of knowing at what ranges the shooters were and fortunately all survived but they were taken out of the fight real quick even with fmj ammo.  In one case, one of our Lt. who had been in country less than a week, was on the way out to take over his platoon.  The tank he was riding on had to stop to allow civilian vehicle traffic clear a bridge.  He was hit in the abdomen and spent several months in a Naval hospital in Japan.  I had been in that area numerous times and the nearest treeline where the shot probably was fired from was well over 200 yards. For sure, some VC got in a lucky shot.
     A previous post mentioned the late Lt. Cirillo's comment on the effectiveness of the carbine he used on the NYPD entry team "We never had to shoot anybody twice." That was inside buildings at room distances.  Yes, there are other weapons that may be better but I don't have the spare money to spend when I already have the carbine.  I bought the Inland back in the late '80s for $285.00 and got the Universal as payment for work I did for someone.  If someone has an extra AR they would like to donate, send me a PM.  :D
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Re: .30 carbine
« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2012, 02:48:18 PM »
I finally shot my friend's carbine a couple of days ago and it was a hoot.  I can see one in my gun safe right next to my mini-14 and my wife's M-4.  Good gun for bad guy deterent or a fun afternoon at a 3-gun shoot.   I put a couple of rounds into a plastic 55 gal drum someone left in front of the 200 yard steel bullet trap.  Hit the drum and could hear the little 30 cal whack off the 3/4" plate steel.
One thing, I was shooting some factory FMJ ammo, UMC, that has been properly stored but is 15+ years old.  Very poor sealing of gases in the chamber, the brass was so blackened it was hard to find in the gravel @ the gun club.  I really hope my handloads are not this messy.
 
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Re: .30 carbine
« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2012, 03:52:12 PM »
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     I can't say for sure but over the years I've shot about every brand of ammo for the carbine.  USGI, surplus Korean, most U. S. commercial and they all leave a little soot on the case.  My reloads aren't too bad with H 110 but I do see more on the cases out of the Universal than out of the Inland.  It may be the specs of the individual rifle chambers.
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Re: .30 carbine
« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2012, 04:04:10 PM »
My Father carried an M1 Carbine through his entire tour of duty in Europe during WW2. He swore by it. He replaced it with a full auto version later in the war. This is a photograph of him somewhere in Germany, with his M1 carbine.

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Re: .30 carbine
« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2012, 04:51:30 PM »
Not the greatest pic, but this is a pre-shot and post shot case closeup of what H110 is like.  Very clean, cycle's perfectly at 14.5 gr. H110 with 100 gr. Hornady 1/2 jacket soft point.  ;)
 
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Re: .30 carbine
« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2012, 12:57:39 AM »
Good deal, H110 was the powder I was going to start with. 
 
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Re: .30 carbine
« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2012, 02:36:14 AM »
 Funny story from one of my old bosses when he served in Korea...
 
 "Chino" was his nickname, a cool old Mexican guy we all loved to work for. He was assigned to maintain two "quad-50's" mounted on half-tracks. He told us about how they would go out and "shoot all day long in whatever direction they told us to over the radio." Much of his time was spent sweeping 50 cal shells away from the guns and changing overheated barrels with asbestos gloves on.
 
 One day they were out and a guy (enemy soldier) waaaay out from them and ~90 degrees from the direction they were firing would appear, jumping up and down and waving his arms whenever they'd open up with the 50's. Chino, when he wasn't busy, would take pot shots at him with his M1 Carbine, with no effect.
 
 At some point the commander said, "Looks like Chino needs some help, guys." He had one of the two quads train the guns on the enemy's position. Like clockwork, when the other quad opened fire, the guy showed himself and Chino emptied his Carbine - along with four 50 cals. The guy's position erupted in a cloud of dust.
 
 After he stopped firing, the guy on the gun said, "Now THAT'S how we do it, Chino."
 
 Chino replied, "What do you mean "we," gringo? Got a mouse in your pocket? You missed!"
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Re: .30 carbine
« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2012, 05:19:55 AM »
If you go to the Civilian Marksmanship Program's website, you'll find some articles concerning making the M1 Carbine a bit more accurate and reliable.
http://www.odcmp.com/Sales/rifles.htm  and then click on M1 Carbine, where the articles are located.
I trim my cases to the minimum trim to length, and try to pay particular attention to making them all the same length, and giving them a consistent powder charge.  As much as I like H110 and 2400 for the round, I've heard several folks using Vihtavouri N110 instead, which gives a nudge more performance from the round, and without the soot and fouling.
Bedding of the little carbines makes a big difference in the way they shoot.  In the CMP articles, it tells how to check the bedding, and install a new stock to perform well.
I'm thinking of getting one of the Fulton Armory handguard replacements with the Picatinny rail, and mounting a red dot of some sort on there.  http://www.fulton-armory.com/handguardsuperscoutwswanweaverpicatinnyrail.aspx
As to a home defense gun.....I don't rely on just one. 
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Re: .30 carbine
« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2012, 09:17:28 AM »
@Darreld Walton
 
Thanks for that link. I have thought about modifying the ventilated metal handguard to accept an optic or picatinny rail. This picatinny handguard looks like the perfect solution. Might be nice if it had some ventilation though. I sure like the looks of it. Being able to use the iron sights is really nice.
Definitely worth a look eventhough it's a little pricey at 100 bucks.
I notice Fulton's carbines are too!   :o
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Re: .30 carbine
« Reply #41 on: February 06, 2012, 09:36:48 AM »
Has anyone tried these mags? I have been wanting to try them. Maybe someone could save me the trouble if their claims are false. They used to have 15rd mags too, but I don't see them there now.
 
http://www.keepshooting.com/m1-carbine-30rd-magazine.html
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Re: .30 carbine
« Reply #42 on: February 06, 2012, 11:18:59 AM »
Quote from: Darreld Walton on February 06, 2012, 05:19:55 AM

As to a home defense gun.....I don't rely on just one.

Q: Do you prefer a rifle, pistol, or shotgun?
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Re: .30 carbine
« Reply #43 on: February 07, 2012, 02:50:04 AM »
Quote from: saddlebum on February 06, 2012, 09:36:48 AM
Has anyone tried these mags? I have been wanting to try them. Maybe someone could save me the trouble if their claims are false. They used to have 15rd mags too, but I don't see them there now.
 
http://www.keepshooting.com/m1-carbine-30rd-magazine.html

they look good but can't say I have one (may) . I do have 15 round GI mags (some still wrapped up from WW2.  If you want good new mags try the Korean military mags they show up at all the gun shows .
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Re: .30 carbine
« Reply #44 on: February 07, 2012, 04:05:07 AM »
Yep! I got all my 15rd mags at a gun show. A guy had a bunch of wrapped and gooey GI mags. They work perfect. I even picked up a couple of 5 and 10rd mags at a show that work real good.
 I see that Cheaper Than Dirt has the Korean mags for 8 bucks + shipping, and all the reviews are good. I got lucky, (for the most part), with some Triple K 30rd mags. They all worked good except one that I sent back. It wasn't the same as the others. Problem with TK is they get mags from different outfits and you never know what they will send you. I won't try my luck with them again. Guess I will have to break down and buy a keepshooting.com mag to try out. I been procrastinating on that for a long time.
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Re: .30 carbine
« Reply #45 on: February 07, 2012, 01:48:52 PM »
dad carried his carbine all over vietnam and swore by it, so I bought him a universal a few years back.
he kills deer with it every year and has been wearing me out wanting me to load him some ammo for it so he can shoot more, I tell him fine, I bought the gun you can at least buy the dies, powder and bullets  for it.
oddly enough he called yesterday from the gun shop wanting to know what powder to buy,I didnt have a clue,now I can give him a real answer.
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Re: .30 carbine
« Reply #46 on: February 08, 2012, 10:13:04 AM »
"Home defense" is relative to ones "home" situation.  Not everyone lives in house to house developments, apartments or condos.  Many live in urban or rural situations where 50 - 100+ yard shots may be needed to defend ones home.  Got to remember the police responce time in urban and rural situations.  Also need to remember that perps are manytimes armed with long guns in those settings these days also.  In the urban and rural context many believe the carbine/rifle to be a much better alternative to a handgun or shotgun.  The M1 Carbine in good condition with the appropriate ammunition makes an excellent "home defense" carbine in such urban and rural envirnments, especially since it is very well suited to youger members use and many females (most don't really like M1As, FN/FALs, G3s or 12 gauge shotguns with slugs in rifled barrels). 
 
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