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How target store knew she was pregnant before her father did.
« on: February 17, 2012, 11:07:45 AM »
 How Target Figured Out A Teen Girl Was Pregnant Before Her Father Did          By Kashmir Hill, Forbes.com 
Every time you go shopping, you share intimate details about your consumption patterns with retailers. And many of those retailers are studying those details to figure out what you like, what you need, and which coupons are most likely to make you happy. Target, for example, has figured out how to data-mine its way into your womb, to figure out whether you have a baby on the way long before you need to start buying diapers. From the New York Times:
   
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Target has got you in its aim
Charles Duhigg outlines in the New York Times how Target tries to hook parents-to-be at that crucial moment before they turn into rampant — and loyal — buyers of all things pastel, plastic, and miniature. He talked to Target statistician Andrew Pole — before Target freaked out and cut off all communications — about the clues to a customer’s impending bundle of joy. Target assigns every customer a Guest ID number, tied to their credit card, name, or email address that becomes a bucket that stores a history of everything they’ve bought and any demographic information Target has collected from them or bought from other sources. Using that, Pole looked at historical buying data for all the ladies who had signed up for Target baby registries in the past.
[Pole] ran test after test, analyzing the data, and before long some useful patterns emerged. Lotions, for example. Lots of people buy lotion, but one of Pole’s colleagues noticed that women on the baby registry were buying larger quantities of unscented lotion around the beginning of their second trimester. Another analyst noted that sometime in the first 20 weeks, pregnant women loaded up on supplements like calcium, magnesium and zinc. Many shoppers purchase soap and cotton balls, but when someone suddenly starts buying lots of scent-free soap and extra-big bags of cotton balls, in addition to hand sanitizers and washcloths, it signals they could be getting close to their delivery date.
Or have a rather nasty infection…
As Pole’s computers crawled through the data, he was able to identify about 25 products that, when analyzed together, allowed him to assign each shopper a “pregnancy prediction” score. More important, he could also estimate her due date to within a small window, so Target could send coupons timed to very specific stages of her pregnancy.
One Target employee I spoke to provided a hypothetical example. Take a fictional Target shopper named Jenny Ward, who is 23, lives in Atlanta and in March bought cocoa-butter lotion, a purse large enough to double as a diaper bag, zinc and magnesium supplements and a bright blue rug. There’s, say, an 87 percent chance that she’s pregnant and that her delivery date is sometime in late August.
And perhaps that it’s a boy based on the color of that rug?
So Target started sending coupons for baby items to customers according to their pregnancy scores. Duhigg shares an anecdote — so good that it sounds made up — that conveys how eerily accurate the targeting is. An angry man went into a Target outside of Minneapolis, demanding to talk to a manager:
“My daughter got this in the mail!” he said. “She’s still in high school, and you’re sending her coupons for baby clothes and cribs? Are you trying to encourage her to get pregnant?”
The manager didn’t have any idea what the man was talking about. He looked at the mailer. Sure enough, it was addressed to the man’s daughter and contained advertisements for maternity clothing, nursery furniture and pictures of smiling infants. The manager apologized and then called a few days later to apologize again.
(Nice customer service, Target.)
On the phone, though, the father was somewhat abashed. “I had a talk with my daughter,” he said. “It turns out there’s been some activities in my house I haven’t been completely aware of. She’s due in August. I owe you an apology.”
What Target discovered fairly quickly is that it creeped people out that the company knew about their pregnancies in advance.
 
“If we send someone a catalog and say, ‘Congratulations on your first child!’ and they’ve never told us they’re pregnant, that’s going to make some people uncomfortable,” Pole told me. “We are very conservative about compliance with all privacy laws.
But even if you’re following the law, you can do things where people get queasy.Bold is mine. That’s a quote for our times.
So Target got sneakier about sending the coupons. The company can create personalized booklets; instead of sending people with high pregnancy scores books o’ coupons solely for diapers, rattles, strollers, and the “Go the heck to Bed” book, they more subtly spread them about:
 
“Then we started mixing in all these ads for things we knew pregnant women would never buy, so the baby ads looked random. We’d put an ad for a lawn mower next to diapers. We’d put a coupon for wineglasses next to infant clothes. That way, it looked like all the products were chosen by chance.
“And we found out that as long as a pregnant woman thinks she hasn’t been spied on, she’ll use the coupons. She just assumes that everyone else on her block got the same mailer for diapers and cribs. As long as we don’t spook her, it works.”
So the Target philosophy towards expecting parents is similar to the first date philosophy? Even if you’ve fully stalked the person on Facebook and Google beforehand, pretend like you know less than you do so as not to creep the person out.
Duhigg suggests that Target’s gangbusters revenue growth — $44 billion in 2002, when Pole was hired, to $67 billion in 2010 — is attributable to Pole’s helping the retail giant corner the baby-on-board market, citing company president Gregg Steinhafel boasting to investors about the company’s “heightened focus on items and categories that appeal to specific guest segments such as mom and baby.”
Target was none too happy about Duhigg's plans to write this story (and forthcoming book, The Power of Habit). They refused to let him go to Target headquarters. When he flew out anyway, he discovered he was on a list of prohibited visitors.
I think most readers of the excellent piece will find it both unsettling and unsurprising. With all the talk these days about the data grab most companies are engaged in, Target’s collection and analysis seem as expected as its customers’ babies. But with their analysis moving into areas as sensitive as pregnancy, and so accurately, who knows how else they might start profiling Target shoppers? The store’s bulls-eye logo may now send a little shiver of fear down the closely-watched spines of some, though I can promise you that Target is not the only store doing this. Those people chilled by stores’ tracking and profiling them may want to consider going the way of the common criminal — and paying for far more of their purchases in cash.
 
A must read: How Companies Learn Your Secrets [New York Times]
 
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Re: How target store knew she was pregnant before her father did.
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2012, 11:42:50 AM »
They are going to wonder what my local gas station sells that they label as food? ear
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Re: How target store knew she was pregnant before her father did.
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2012, 11:53:29 AM »
My bottom line:
I don't want any company studing my buying/purchases that closely.
 
Think Target (& any others) may take a big hit in their customer base on this one once it becomes common knowledge.
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« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2012, 04:21:32 PM »
Kroger pioneered those stupid little discount cards years ago. At first folks refused to fill out the info, then we were told that names were not impt and that all data was private and could not be traced to you. About a month later in the local paper kroger was bragging about them getting a womans lost keys back to her. Her card was on her keychain, one swipe and they not only knew her they had her name, address, and phone #. Walmart uses their employee disc card to keep track of employees purchases.  POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: How target store knew she was pregnant before her father did.
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2012, 04:40:03 PM »
We would be horrified if we really knew just how information is out there available about all of us. Every time we buy anything with a credit card or debit card or even write a check there is info gathered and stored. Once I opened my credit card bill and saw a charge of three hundred and something dollars for pizza in Henderson Nevada. I called the card company and prepared to battle it out. The woman said just a moment and came back and said all charges were removed, they were able to tell where I was and what I usually buy. (I hate pizza) Amazed that I didn't have fight with them but it is scary what they know and how quickly it can be accessed.

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Re: How target store knew she was pregnant before her father did.
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2012, 05:09:35 PM »
When we go to Lowes they want our zipcode when we chk out. They say they want to know how far away it pays them to advertise. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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Re: How target store knew she was pregnant before her father did.
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2012, 11:40:03 PM »
Nothing happens until someone buys something.
If your business is selling, and ALL are, this seems like good business sense to me----far from being an invasion of privacy.
Some smart folks here, IMO.
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Re: How target store knew she was pregnant before her father did.
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2012, 12:40:51 AM »
...this seems like good business sense to me----far from being an invasion of privacy.
Some smart folks here, IMO.
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Quite right.  Why does one customarily go to the same local tavern?  To get a cold brew - yes.  But to also achieve that comfortable feeling of being known and recognized.  You belly up and ask for "the Usual".  Now how would they know that?  It is the same thing.  They know you and you like it!

With whom would you rather trade, the business that caters to you on a silver platter, giving you perks and discounts or the impersonal Big Box store whose customers show up regularly in a Net-gallery known as "*-Martians"?  If we look closely enough, will we see some of you there?

More insidious however is the Health, Home, Life, and Auto databases between Insurance Companies that have more data in it than even your Mother knows about you.

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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2012, 08:52:13 AM »
Great !!
I can hardly wait for coupons from the two Stores I buy my firearm related stuff. ;D
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Re: How target store knew she was pregnant before her father did.
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2012, 02:45:34 AM »
Great !!
I can hardly wait for coupons from the two Stores I buy my firearm related stuff. ;D
And why shouldn't you be excited about that business prospect?  You are one of their Regulars.  Your "regular performance" in purchasing from them goes straight to their bottom line.  Without you, and other Regulars like you, they would cease to exist as a business.  Awaiting all walk-in customers is too risky a Business Model in today's environment.  These Businessmen, with whom you spend your after tax dollars, should be looking at keeping YOU happy in these tough times, knowing that where their bargains are is where your money goes.

Remember the older Merrill Lynch (ML) TV ad, where the ML Executive Vice President is handing out plane tickets with the directive that his staff get out there and meet face to face with their Customers?  Wouldn't that be nice for a change...a paradigm shift in business thinking.

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Re: How target store knew she was pregnant before her father did.
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2012, 03:41:27 AM »
I don't see this information being used against the customer. If you want something to get upset about, consider your health insurance. That does get used against the customer. It happens daily all over the country that a person gets very sick. The first thing the insurance company does is assign a team of people to find any grounds for denying the claim. For example, if you get bad skin cancer and you once had a skin exam years ago they will probably deny the claim because it must be a pre-existing condition and because you wouldn't have had the earlier exam unless you were worried about something.
 
Happens every day.
 
By the way, I've gone to a couple of stores here lately where they ask for your phone number instead of your zip code. Now that's invasive! Don't give that out!

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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2012, 08:21:42 AM »
I have not signed up for any of those discount cards.  I usually pay cash.  So I am a ghost to them.
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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2012, 08:30:32 AM »
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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2012, 03:58:55 PM »
I got a card from a grocery chain. I made it out in a ficticious name, used the local street address of the drycleaners and the phone number of the chinese restaurant.  I still use cash and get the discount. Works for me. Two can play the same game.
 
 
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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2012, 05:34:47 AM »
Great !!
I can hardly wait for coupons from the two Stores I buy my firearm related stuff. ;D
And why shouldn't you be excited about that business prospect?  You are one of their Regulars..............

I presume you thought my post dripped with sarcasm. Nope, I meant it with happy anticipation. :)
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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2012, 05:46:52 AM »
I got a card from a grocery chain. I made it out in a ficticious name, used the local street address of the drycleaners and the phone number of the chinese restaurant.  I still use cash and get the discount. Works for me. Two can play the same game.
 
 
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Darn good idea. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2012, 05:50:50 AM »
I got a card from a grocery chain. I made it out in a ficticious name, used the local street address of the drycleaners and the phone number of the chinese restaurant.  I still use cash and get the discount. Works for me. Two can play the same game.
 
 
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« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2012, 11:31:37 AM »
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I got a card from a grocery chain. I made it out in a ficticious name, used the local street address of the drycleaners and the phone number of the chinese restaurant.  I still use cash and get the discount. Works for me. Two can play the same game.
 
 

Actually it will not make much of a difference to the store. They also study what you buy no matter whose name is on the card.  If they put something on sale what else the person buys. To sell more steaks they put charcoal on sale.

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« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2012, 08:25:37 AM »
Whut is this here "credit card" yall talkin' about!!! ;D
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