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Browning rifles are the best longest lasting guns IMO
« on: March 05, 2012, 08:30:20 AM »
Just hard to beat anything with the Browning name on it. Guns, clothing, bows, outdoor gear in general. I've been pleased with & received good service from all the Browning products I've ever owned.  ;D

I know browning dont mfg. themselves but they have good quality control and insist on the mfgs to produce quality products that they put their name on. Buy browning & I believe you will be happy with it too.

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Re: Browning rifles are the best longest lasting guns IMO
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2012, 12:48:49 PM »
My skeet buddy has 3/4 of a million shells through his 425 O/U, and just sent it in for minor repairs. Guess the 10k I have through mine hasnt even broken it in yet!

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Re: Browning rifles are the best longest lasting guns IMO
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2012, 01:38:44 PM »
i like browning guns and all the ones ive had or still have, have been very good quality.but thats not to say other brands are not almost as good!

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Re: Browning rifles are the best longest lasting guns IMO
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2012, 04:55:30 PM »
Some of the other brands were browning designs as well.  ;D

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Re: Browning rifles are the best longest lasting guns IMO
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2012, 04:20:58 AM »
My latest purchase is Winchester / Miroku (aka Browning?) 1886 Extra Light in .45-70. Love it! I also have a "real" Marlin 1895 Guide Gun, but am lovin' the Winchester. Handles beautifully. I also have a Citori straight gripped 12 ga. shotgun that I find myself using all the time. In addition, as much as I like the many other rifles that I own, my favorite is a Stainless Stalker II in .30-06. The gun just fits me, and balances well. It is verry accurate, and has accounted for a lot of game. I use other rifles because they're fun, but I keep coming back to my Stainless Stalker. It just works. Plain and simple. It's reliable, and I've never had a problem with it. Likewise my Citori. It's a tad heavy, but the action is bank-vault solid, and has never let me down. And their clothing and accessories. I could go on. Great products!


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Re: Browning rifles are the best longest lasting guns IMO
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2012, 03:57:26 AM »
 
   Browning has made some fine guns, but come on, they have made some real stinkers as well.
 
   Best and longest lasting?  How bout those thousands and thousands of rifles and shotguns they made from 1966 to 1973 with salt cured walnut stocks, that ended up eating through the metal like acid in a matter of a few years.  And then, they refused to give anyone a replacement stock unless they were the original purchaser with the original receipt.  I'll bet those thousands of people with ruined rifles would argue the point with you.  These are all over the gunshows and nobody wants them.
 
   And what about their re-issue of the Winchester 71?  A gun with a redesigned trigger system that was so complicated that in many instances it won't strike the cartridge hard enough to make it fire.
 
   And what about the Browning Gold shotguns?  Durable to be sure, but with a trigger pull so horrendously hard that it is almost impossible to shoot skeet or close passing shots with it, because the hard pull yanks you off target.
 
   And how do you define long lasting, when Browning has been so restrictive about making and licensing their magazines, that if you have a rifle made in the 1960s, such as a BLR, you can barely find used replacement mags that don't cost as much as the rifle originally did?
 
   And what about those ugly Browning Pump Action big game rifles they made a few years ago.  So bad that they were an instant flop.
 
   I'm sure you have a great rifle, but you can't rule out the terrible firearms Browning has sold.
 
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« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2012, 07:10:33 AM »
Manny, how many browning BLR mfg. in the 60s do you own. Or have even seen?  ;D

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Re: Browning rifles are the best longest lasting guns IMO
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2012, 05:20:33 PM »
Unfortunately, Manny seems to be significantly misinformed about BLRs in a number of ways.  I'm thinking he doesn't like them for some reason.

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« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2012, 02:24:40 PM »
 
   How did this suddenly become a BLR topic?   Saw a beautiful one in .308 at the last gunshow.  It was in about 98% condition, and the guy only wanted $725 as his starting asking price.  Almost bought it, but could not find a hammer extension for it anywhere.  Had the original red rubber recoil pad on it, in about 95% condition.
 
   At the same show, I almost bought a beautiful T-Bolt, made in 1966.  Made the guy take the stock off, and it was a salt gun.  Horrendous underneath.
 
  Guys, I was a teenager in the 1960s, and have handled and shot alot of Brownings.  My father had 3 of them, my uncle had two, and they were the first guns I ever shot.
 
   I'm just pointing out that they are not the best and longest lasting firearms ever made. 
 
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« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2012, 06:09:54 PM »
You are the one that said 1960s and such as BLR. Since BLR produced began in 1970. I don't think you know what your talking about.

In my opening post I said IMO. That's in my opinion. If you don't agree that's fine. You just have a different opinion.  :D

Go back and retread your posts. Regards,
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Re: Browning rifles are the best longest lasting guns IMO
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2012, 06:30:13 AM »
Pastorp,
 
   You are correct.  Two posts ago, I mentioned guns made in the 1960s, such as a BLR.  I apologize for that. For those of us who grew up in the 1960s, the early 70s kinda blurred into them.  (Some historians say that the 1960s didn't really end until Nixon resigned in the 1970s!)
 
   Besides that, yes I know exactly what I am talking about. :-)   If there is anything else that is incorrect in my replies, I would be glad for folks to point it out.
 
   Yes, I know that your original post is just your opinion.  But, I assume you posted it to engender robust debate and comment, which is really the fun of these boards.
 
   And, as I said, that BLR at the show was a beautiful rifle.  It had a carbine length barrel and a factory butt pad.   I think it may have been a lighweight version.
 
   One Browning I really liked, but never got, was the semi-auto .22 they sold for just a few years, that looked like a mini-BAR.  Beautiful stock and metal, really well balanced.  Can't figiure out why that one didn't take off.
 
   Pastorp, I really enjoy your posts.  No offense intended.
 
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Re: Browning rifles are the best longest lasting guns IMO
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2012, 06:41:45 AM »
On the Africa forum, a new Browning A bolt reciever cracked when the client first got to Africa and was sighting in.  He finished his hunt with a claw extractor Ruger, which fell off the truck in the mud, and still fired and held it's zero.  The A bolt also has a lot of parts.  Old Browings from the 50's had Mauser actions just like the old Winchester model 70's, and Winchester has gone back to that.  I had a Browning gold, sold it.  Rem 1100's or 1187's shoot better.  Also I have a Benelli and a Beretta, which are better.  The old Auto-5 was good, but was too hard to take completely apart to clean.  They make nice shinny well blued guns, but pretty doesn't make for practicality.  I use Ruger or Mauser style rifles, and Marlins.  True, the new Winchesters are slick, but pricey.  I also have a BLR, but $45 for a 5 shot mag is rediculous, last time I checked several years ago.  I always like to have at least one spare mag for mag guns.  BLR's are also hard to take completely down to clean.  Can't really do it.  The new ones are pricey also.  Good used ones are around $500 around here, but they do make them in pointy bullet calibers. 

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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2012, 07:28:38 AM »
Browning knives can be great to crap IMHO. I had a O/U that was defective from the factory and when returned after repair had a broken stock They replaced the stock. The BAR has the slowest reload I think I ever tried ( I had two) Some A-5 worked with any shell others did not. I saw a Browning bolt action rifle marked 30-06 with a 270 bbl. They replaced it . I have had other Browning guns that were great . So I disagree that their QC is better than others but all have issues from time to time. Also there servive is shared with Winchester and both have been poor IMHO when I had to use them.
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Re: Browning rifles are the best longest lasting guns IMO
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2012, 08:02:32 AM »
Of course you know shootall that the Winchester connection is recent.   ;D

The only gun company that's perfect is Remington. And that's only if swampy is telling the tale. I've had a couple of problems with browning guns but out of the 50 or so over the years it been only a couple I can think of.  ;) guess I just like shiny things. Must be the redneck blood running through my veins.

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Re: Browning rifles are the best longest lasting guns IMO
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2012, 08:08:25 AM »
The Brownings that aren't made in Japan are awesome.  I'll take all I can get.
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« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2012, 08:14:27 AM »
The A-5's I had made in Japan worked better than the ones from Belgium.
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« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2012, 08:18:05 AM »
Same here, I had an A-5 from Belgium in the 70's and in the early 2000's one from Japan.  The Japanese was way slicker and had tighter tolerances.  I just couldn't hit with it.  I shot low.  I use a Benelli now, Rems 11-87 second. 

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« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2012, 08:26:11 AM »
   The first Browning  I used extensively was a new Auto-5 humpback that my dad owned.  He had gotten it brand new.  Made in Belgium and a nice looking gun.
 
   I shot skeet, dove, and pheasant with it for about 4 years.  It was very reliable, so long as the internal steel friction ring was placed in the right position for heavy or light shells.
 
   After four years, though, I saw the the forestock had cracked all of the way through, on the top of the forearm, far forward, where the tightening knob screws down.  I came to learn that this is a very common problem with these gun, since the very heavy return of the barrel under the power of the return spring results in the foreward barrel ring slamming against the soft wooden front of the stock with each and every shot, crushing it up against the steel tightening knob. (Look at older ones at gunshows, and you will see that about one-third of them are cracked!)
 
   No problem, I said, I'll just buy a replacement.  It took me a week of phone calls to find a place that stocked one, and the price was $45.00.   This was a huge shock for me, since the cost of the original gun was only $210.   And, since this was at the  time when minimum wage was only $2.00 per hour.  I was working a full time summer job, and with taxes and withholdings, this was nearly two full weeks of pay.  When it arrived, it would not fit, and I had to spend another $25 to have a gunsmith fit it. 
 
   A year  or so later, I decided I wanted an extra barrel.   I was stunned to find that new barrels were $125, and used barrels (Belgian) were $85.00.
 
   I then decided that this gun, though reliable, was just too expensive and too much of a pain in the butt for me.   I switched to an old Remington 870 pump that my dad had, and used it for 25 years without ever spending a dime on it.  Nothing ever broke.  Nothing ever jammed. 
 
   Ten years ago, a friend of mine at the skeet club won a brand new Browning Gold auto at the annual fundraising dinner.  He offered to sell it to me for really cheap.
 
    I used it to "try" to shoot four rounds of skeet.  The trigger pull was absolutely terrible, and resulted in me either yanking off the track of the target when I squeezed it slowly, or interrupting the swing when I squeezed it hard.  I passed.   My internet research indicated that this problem is part of the design, and there is no effective fix for it.
 
   These are only some of my experiences with the Brownings.
 
     I did have the opportunity to fire a nice BLR at a range, in .30-06.  It functioned perfectly but that recoil felt like it would knock my crowns out.  I think that you would have to be a pretty big guy to shoot one comfortably, and I only weighed 135 pounds soaking wet.  My  dad was friends with several officials of the Bureau of Land Management in D.C., and they all came from the western states (Montana, Colorado).  They all shot BLRs and loved them.  And they were also huge strapping outdoors guys.
 
    I think that with the Brownings, it is best to assess them on a gun by gun basis.  Some are superb, . . . some not so good.  :-)
 
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« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2012, 08:28:58 AM »
 
  Oops. Another mistake by me.  That $45 was one week's pay, not two.
 
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« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2012, 08:34:45 AM »
I could live with a Jap over and under but the rifles looks so cheap and the salt cured wood isn't so hot.
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« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2012, 08:54:13 AM »
The salt cured came out before the jap rifles I believe.
But most were to shinny until here lately.
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« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2012, 09:08:13 AM »
Did they use sugar cured wood on the "Sweet 16"? ;)

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« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2012, 09:17:34 AM »
no but they were put togather by sweet young maidens  ;D
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« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2012, 01:12:12 AM »
just bought a first browning for me. a bps that shoots right on for me. hope it lasts. but i think will have a ways to go to catch up to my winchester made p-14. shoots like new, even for me
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