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smokeless shorty
« on: March 20, 2012, 08:10:36 AM »
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Re: smokeless shorty
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2012, 08:54:46 AM »
How does it shoot?
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Re: smokeless shorty
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2012, 09:04:20 AM »
I have only about 8 rounds out of it as a smokeless MZ, but it shot fine as a shorty 45-70.  I did put three rounds in about 1.5" group @ 100 yards.  These where my plinking bullets, 204 grain LSWC @ .401" over 55+ grains of I3031.  No chrony yet.   My hunting bullet is a 279 grain LFN sized @ .401" over 52+ grains of I3031.  I only launched one of the 279s and with a warm barrel at 100 yards and it struck perfect left to right and about 2" below the 204 LSWCs, so it is showing promise.
 
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Re: smokeless shorty
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2012, 06:20:59 PM »
BB,

That's a nice looking gun, best of luck with it. 

Just curious, would a stock with a recoil pad would have been a better choice? 
Does she kick uncomfortably hard?
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Re: smokeless shorty
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2012, 06:36:45 PM »
OSR,
 
It has a recoil pad, it was inadvertently cropped in the pic. :-[    Recoil isn't that bad, even off the bench.  I am not hot rodding the smokeless MZ, I am shooting in velocity ranges that can be obtained with BP substitutes powders, I just don't have to clean the barrel when I am done at the range. ;)  The other advantages to smokeless are it is much cheaper to shoot than BP substitutes and there isn't much of a velocity penalty with a short barrel so you have a lighter gun to hunt with. 
 
FWIW, it is possible to shorten a H&R factory ramrod for a 18 3/8" barrel and it will still be collapsible and work just fine.  Ya just got to know were to cut. ;D
 
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Quote from: OldSchoolRanger on March 20, 2012, 06:20:59 PM
BB,

That's a nice looking gun, best of luck with it. 

Just curious, would a stock with a recoil pad would have been a better choice? 
Does she kick uncomfortably hard?
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Re: smokeless shorty
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2012, 06:40:15 PM »
Nice !!!!! BB   .Kurt
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Re: smokeless shorty
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2012, 02:18:17 PM »
Thanks Kurt!
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Re: smokeless shorty
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2012, 03:21:25 PM »
Are you getting a complete burn on powder with the shorter barrel
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Re: smokeless shorty
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2012, 03:23:14 PM »
I was thinking about sending my 32"45-70 to get it converted,
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Re: smokeless shorty
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2012, 03:48:40 PM »
Ok, enlighten me.  Who is doing this conversion and would this be legal for il?  What is all involved in the conversion?

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Re: smokeless shorty
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2012, 06:09:47 PM »
Quote from: Jason F on March 21, 2012, 03:21:25 PM
Are you getting a complete burn on powder with the shorter barrel
Jason,
 
I will setup my chrony in the next couple of weeks shoot my 18 3/8" and 22" smokeless with the same loads and see what the velocity penality is on the shorter barrel.   My guess is with the relatively large bore of a 45 cal rifle the velocity penality will not be that much.  If one was shooting faster powders the velocity difference would be further minimized.
 
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Re: smokeless shorty
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2012, 06:14:21 PM »
Quote from: Matt3357 on March 21, 2012, 03:48:40 PM
Ok, enlighten me.  Who is doing this conversion and would this be legal for il?  What is all involved in the conversion?

Matt

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Smokeless Muzzleloading Inc. will do a conversion on a 45-70 or 450 Marlin barrel.  Search this forum and there is a thread on this posted a couple of months back.  There are others also making this conversion.  My two smokeless MZs I did myself but I am not a gunsmith and don't play one on TV so I only work for myself.
 
Gun is legal for deer where I hunt, unsure about the regulations of other states.
 
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Wife's Handis;  300 BLKOUT

MINE:  270W, 308x444, 44 Bodeen, 410 shorty rifled slug gun, 445 SuperMag Shikari, 45 ACP shorty,  45-70 Shikari, 45 Cal Smokeless MZ, 50cal 24" SS Sidekick, 50 cal 24" Huntsman, 50 cal 26" Huntsman, 50 cal 26" Sidekick, 50-70 Govt Shikari, Tracker II 20 ga shorty, 20 ga VR Pardner, 20ga USH, 12ga VR NWTF, 12ga Tracker II shorty WITHOUT scope, 12ga USH, 10 ga  Pardner Smoothbore slug gun & 24ga Profino Custom rifled slug gun.

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Re: smokeless shorty
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2012, 07:26:58 PM »
Nice looking rig. You guys gotta stop posting about these converted 45/70 muzzleloaders. This is the last thing I need, But the Want is getting awefull powerful
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Re: smokeless shorty
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2012, 04:22:07 AM »
Quote from: burntmuch on March 21, 2012, 07:26:58 PM
Nice looking rig. You guys gotta stop posting about these converted 45/70 muzzleloaders. This is the last thing I need, But the Want is getting awefull powerful
;D ;D ;D Too late! It's catching.  Betcha get one converted soon.   ;D It already happened to me.
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