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Republic VS Democracy.
« on: March 26, 2012, 05:56:23 AM »
 
REPUBLIC vs. DEMOCRACY

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America,
and to the Republic for which it stands,
one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."


SUMMARY
In the Pledge of Allegiance we all pledge allegiance to our Republic, not to a democracy. "Republic" is the proper description of our government, not "democracy." I invite you to join me in raising public awareness regarding that distinction. A republic and a democracy are identical in every aspect except one. In a republic the sovereignty is in each individual person. In a democracy the sovereignty is in the group.

Republic. That form of government in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whome those powers are specially delegated. [NOTE: The word "people" may be either plural or singular. In a republic the group only has advisory powers; the sovereign individual is free to reject the majority group-think. USA/exception: if 100% of a jury convicts, then the individual loses sovereignty and is subject to group-think as in a democracy.]

Democracy. That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens directly or indirectly through a system of representation, as distinguished from a monarchy, aristocracy, or oligarchy. [NOTE: In a pure democracy, 51% beats 49%. In other words, the minority has no rights. The minority only has those privileges granted by the dictatorship of the majority.]

 


The distinction between our Republic and a democracy is not an idle one. It has great legal significance. The Constitution guarantees to every state a Republican form of government (Art. 4, Sec. 4). No state may join the United States unless it is a Republic. Our Republic is one dedicated to "liberty and justice for all." Minority individual rights are the priority. The people have natural rights instead of civil rights. The people are protected by the Bill of Rights from the majority. One vote in a jury can stop all of the majority from depriving any one of the people of his rights; this would not be so if the United States were a democracy. (see People's rights vs Citizens' rights) In a pure democracy 51 beats 49[%]. In a democracy there is no such thing as a significant minority: there are no minority rights except civil rights (privileges) granted by a condescending majority. Only five of the U.S. Constitution's first ten amendments apply to Citizens of the United States. Simply stated, a democracy is a dictatorship of the majority. Socrates was executed by a democracy: though he harmed no one, the majority found him intolerable. 
SOME DICTIONARY DEFINITIONS
Government. ....the government is but an agency of the state, distinguished as it must be in accurate thought from its scheme and machinery of government. ....In a colloquial sense, the United States or its representatives, considered as the prosecutor in a criminal action; as in the phrase, "the government objects to the witness." [Black's Law Dictionary, Fifth Edition, p. 625] Government; Republican government. One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whome those powers are specially delegated. In re Duncan, 139 U.S. 449, 11 S.Ct. 573, 35 L.Ed. 219; Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. (21 Wall.) 162, 22 L.Ed. 627. [Black's Law Dictionary, Fifth Edition, p. 626] Democracy. That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens directly or indirectly through a system of representation, as distinguished from a monarchy, aristocracy, or oligarchy. Black's Law Dictionary, Fifth Edition, pp. 388-389. Note: Black's Law Dictionary, Fifth Edition, can be found in any law library and most law offices. 
EXAMPLE
Democratic Form of Government: An environmental organization proposes a bill for the ballot that every individual should reduce his water household usage by 25%. To assure that this goal is met, the government, or private sector, will monitor every individual's household water consumption rate. If an individual does not meet the goal, his first offense is $500 fine. Second offense is $750 fine and 30 days community service. Third offense is $1,500 fine and 30 days imprisonment. Fourth offense is $1,750 fine and 90 days imprisonment. Fifth offense is a felony (1-year imprisonment) and $2,000 fine.

The people argue this environmental issue back and forth. They argue the pros and cons of the issue. This great debate is held at town hall meetings. Strong opinions are on both sides of the matter. One side preaches, "It is for the common good!" The other side rebuttals, "This is control and not freedom, and lost of choice!" Election day occurs. The people go to the ballot box to settle the problem. The majority won by a vote of 51% whereas the minority lost with a vote of 49%. The minority is ignored. The majority celebrates while the minority jeers in disappointment. Since the majority won, the bill goes in effect. As a result of the majority winning, every individual must reduce his household water usage by 25%. For the reason that the majority has mandatory powers in a democracy. Those who wish to go against the collective (whole body politic) will be punished accordingly. The minority has neither voice nor rights to refuse to accept the dictatorial majority. Everything is mandatory in a democracy. This brings dictatorship and lividity to the realm.

Republican Form of Government: An environmental organization proposes a bill for the ballot that every individual should reduce his water household usage by 25%. To assure that this goal is met, the government, or private sector, will monitor every individual's household water consumption rate. If an individual does not meet the goal, his first offense is $500 fine. Second offense is $750 fine and 30 days community service. Third offense is $1,500 fine and 30 days imprisonment. Fourth offense is $1,750 fine and 90 days imprisonment. Fifth offense is a felony (1-year imprisonment) and $2,000 fine.

The people argue this environmental issue back and forth. They argue the pros and cons of the issue. This great debate is held at town hall meetings. Strong opinions are on both sides of the matter. One side preaches, "It is for the common good!" The other side rebuttals, "This is control and not freedom, and lost of choice!" Election day occurs. The people go to the ballot box to settle the problem. The majority won by a vote of 51% whereas the minority lost with a vote of 49%. The minority may have lost, but not all is gone. The majority celebrates while the minority jeers in disappointment. Since the majority won, the bill goes in effect. As a result of the majority winning, it is advisory that every individual reduce his household water usage by 25%. For the reason that the majority has advisory powers in a republic. Bearing in mind that each individual is equally sovereign in a republic, he is free to reject the majority. He may choose to follow the majority and subject himself to the rule, or he may choose not to follow the majority and not subject himself to the rule. The minority has a voice and rights to refuse to accept the majority. Everything is advisory in a republic. This brings liberty and peace to the realm.

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Re: Republic VS Democracy.
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2012, 06:00:15 AM »
since a large part of the people have no clue about the issues, a democracy would be total chaos.
a republic is best.
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Re: Republic VS Democracy.
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2012, 06:32:20 AM »
A few years ago a local college student did a survey, he asked the average man (person) on the street, “What form of government do we have in America?”  Ninety percent of the people interviewed said "a democracy."   When then asked “what is a Republic,” they had no idea.

We, the people are very ignorant as to our form of government and things won’t like change until some are educated.

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Re: Republic VS Democracy.
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2012, 03:26:07 AM »
since a large part of the people have no clue about the issues, a democracy would be total chaos.
a republic is best.


At last we agree ;) I wonder why a republic such as ours is spending so much money, time and lives trying to promote Democracy around the world?
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Re: Republic VS Democracy.
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2012, 02:17:49 PM »
A few years ago a local college student did a survey, he asked the average man (person) on the street, “What form of government do we have in America?”  Ninety percent of the people interviewed said "a democracy."   When then asked “what is a Republic,” they had no idea.

We, the people are very ignorant as to our form of government and things won’t like change until some are educated.

About what one would expect after 200 years of public education.

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Re: Republic VS Democracy.
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2012, 05:03:40 PM »
A few years ago a local college student did a survey, he asked the average man (person) on the street, “What form of government do we have in America?”  Ninety percent of the people interviewed said "a democracy."   When then asked “what is a Republic,” they had no idea.

We, the people are very ignorant as to our form of government and things won’t like change until some are educated.
Proof we need to pay teachers more , they are doing such a great job educating the basics of our form of government and the founding of the nation.    >:(
 

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Re: Republic VS Democracy. Tragedies to the Republic, IMHO
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2012, 06:06:15 PM »
Selected Tragedies to our Constitutional Republic:
 
1.  The 17th amendment (direct election of senators)  Senators need to be as far removed from the political winds of the day as possible.  That is its original purpose, and that purpose and function are matters of history now.
 
2.  Changes in Senate rules eliminating the individual's ability to filibuster.  It is supposed to be hard to pass federal legislation, that is what the founders intended.  The idea is to keep the federal government small, and vest power to the States and local municipalities.
 
3.  Party list voting, or first past the post, or what else?Is it time to bust a cap in FPTP?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo (We Ron Paul supporters need to pay attention to this trend)
 
4. The relentless growth of the Federal Government after the War between the States that caused a greatly reduced effectiveness of the 10th Amendment after multiple SCOTUS mis-interpretation of the General Welfare Clause, the Interstate Commerce clause, etc.  We were wrong on the moral issue of the day (we Southerners), but dead on regarding States' rights.
 
5.  Any discussion of the elimination of the Electoral College.  The EC was a comprimise to give small, rural states an ever so slight edge over large states to reduce the likelihood of tyranny of the majority.  Why should 7 million New York City residents, most who have never travelled 100 miles from home, tell me what I need to do in Lampasas Texas?
 
And so on, and so on.  "A republic, if you can keep it" said Franklin.  Our future awaits, we'll see.
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