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Obama Lawyer Laughed at In Supreme Court

On the first day of health care reform arguments before the Supreme Court, two justices needled a top Obama lawyer for simultaneously calling the fine that will be paid under the law for not purchasing insurance a “penalty” and a “tax.”
The confusion arises because of the administration’s argument that the power to enforce the individual mandate is rooted in Congress’ taxing power — but that the mechanism itself is designed to be a penalty, not a revenue-generating policy.
The narrow but important distinction created a communication challenge for the lawyer representing the Obama administration.
U.S. Solicitor General Donald Verrilli used the phrase “tax penalty” multiple times to describe the individual mandate’s backstop. He portrayed the fee as a penalty by design, but one that functions as a tax because it’s collected through the tax code.
“General Verrilli, today you are arguing that the penalty is not a tax. Tomorrow you are going to be back and you will be arguing that the penalty is a tax,” said Justice Samuel Alito, in one of the few laugh lines throughout the 90 minutes of argument Monday.
The remark underscores the fine line the White House is walking in its argument. On one hand, it says the backstop is not a tax, because that could subject it to the Anti-Injunction Act — the focal point of Monday’s arguments — and delay a ruling to at least 2015. On the other, they claim that the power to impose a penalty derives from Congress’ broad taxing power. That’s in part because calling it a tax makes defending the mandate easier — Congress’ power to levy taxes is less in question than its power to require people to do things.
Justice Elena Kagan asked whether refusing to buy insurance would constitute breaking the law, to which Verrilli responded that if people “pay the tax, then they are in compliance with the law.” That caught the attention of Justice Stephen Breyer.
“Why do you keep saying tax?” Breyer interjected, to more laughs.
The justices, particularly the four Democratic-appointees, and Justice Antonin Scalia, appeared skeptical that the fine constitutes a tax.

The distinction is nuanced, but key to one of the administration’s arguments.
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Help me out here...penalty or a tax and are they being saved or created :o


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Hey, bullet.    The text of the law calls it a penalty, and Speaker Pelosi called it a penalty on the floor of the House.   Yet, when the lawsuits were filed, they feds called it a tax, so that the law could not be challenged because of the Tax Anti-Injunction Act.

Justice Alito pounded the govt attorney because he called it a penalty under Congressional taxation authority, when the law clearly states penalty. 

The justices needled him because Monday his argument is that the penalty is not a tax, but his argument for Tuesday is that the penalty is a tax.  The justices said he could not have it both ways.   Either it is a tax, or it ain't.    As for for revenue, it will not create revenue, it will add to the deficit, because peeps will still go to ER as a clinic, and not pay the bill because they know there is no legal compulsion to pay for the services.   

If they want to address the cost of healthcare, they should change federal debt collection laws to allow the IRS to collect the monies like they do with child support enforcement.

Anywho, I hope I settled the mud a little bit.

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You won't ever settle the mud about this administration, because they are lying communists and will use any trick, scheme, gimick, lie--whatever it takes to get what they want and to hell with the Constitution.
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You won't ever settle the mud about this administration, because they are lying communists and will use any trick, scheme, gimick, lie--whatever it takes to get what they want and to hell with the Constitution.

 
MAGOOCH. Good post Sir. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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