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Offline Wildwilly

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Encore Accuracy out of the box???
« on: January 20, 2004, 07:03:21 AM »
Has anyone taken an Encore out the box and shot acceptable groups?
My recent experience with a new 22.250 and those of others on this board indicate what I would call a serious problem.  Are there so many variables in the design that the accuracy problem is just a nature of the beast?
The Contenders that I owned years ago were very accurate out of the box and only improved to just short of perfect with handloads.
This is the first rifle that I have purchased that has been less that impressive.  For the price they charge, these things should be alot better.  I don't think you should have to go to a custom shop just to be able to shoot decent groups.
Any thoughts or opinions?
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out-of-box accuracy
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2004, 08:26:49 AM »
Well, I don't know about 22-250 but several years ago I bought a factory .300 Win Mag barrel for my Encore (stopped by Foxridge and they had it on clearance sale for $100.)  I slapped a cheap Nikko scope on it and took it to the range to play.  It shot MOA with factory ammo - no problem.  Kinda made me wonder why I spent so much for my Bullberry .30-06 barrel.....
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out-of-box accuracy
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2004, 08:33:56 AM »
Well, I don't know about 22-250 but several years ago I bought a factory .300 Win Mag barrel for my Encore (stopped by Foxridge and they had it on clearance sale for $100.)  I slapped a cheap Nikko scope on it and took it to the range to play.  It shot MOA with factory ammo - no problem.  Kinda made me wonder why I spent so much for my Bullberry .30-06 barrel.....
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Encore Accuracy out of the box???
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2004, 09:18:38 AM »
My .22-250 heavy barrel will do sub MOA with my handloads.  It's a few years old, not one of the new ones, and I had no difficulty finding a good load - never shot factory loads through it, though.  I also haven't bedded the forearm or anything, so I consider it to be a good performer out of the box, and I suppose several prairie dogs agreed just before expiring.

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Offline Wildwilly

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O-rings
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2004, 10:30:55 AM »
Do you tighten the screws down as tight as they will go with the o-rings inplace?  I tried to insert a $ bill between the barrel and the fore-end and it would not move more than about 1".  Sounds like that will be my next remedy.  Thanks for the tip.

Also someone mentioned using Flitz metal polish on the bore.  How many strokes down the bore should this be applied.  I'm not sure how abrasive the stuff is.  Maybe I should shoot a box of moly coated bullets through it.
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Offline Peeter

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Encore Accuracy out of the box???
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2004, 07:20:04 AM »
My 22-250 26 Bull Barrel did not shoot out of the box. Factory loads were 3" to 4' at 100yds. Did all the work that was posted here. Got the factory load to shoot about 2 inches. Got some of my hand loads to shoot under MOA. It won't shoot many under an inch. Hornady 60gr HP was the only bullet to go under MOA. Had it rechambered to 22-243 Middelsted and the Hornady 60 HP so far will go MOA. I guess I got a barrel that will not shoot. I am still working on a load. Thanks to all you that helped with geting the groups tighter. Some good advice here. My next long barrel will be custom. :cry:
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Offline Bullseye

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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2004, 01:48:45 PM »
My 25-06 is sub MOA right out of the box.  Screw the forearm on and go.  My 209X50 is more accurate than I ever thought a muzzleloader could be.
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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2004, 02:56:19 PM »
My .223 heavy barrel shoots handloads , best groups in 500 rounds was 5 shots at 100 yards to 3/8 of an inch but usually it shoots 1/2-5/8 groups but I have  little experiance with a rifle.
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Offline Wildwilly

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22-250 Load Data
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2004, 06:24:14 AM »
Does any one have any load data they would share such as case, primer, bullet, powder types.

By the way, I have installed some o-rings on the fore end and will shoot the rest of the factory ammo I have this weekend.
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Offline DannoBoone

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Encore Accuracy out of the box???
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2004, 03:48:41 PM »
Bullseye -  You LUCKY. I believe you're the first one I've seen to get MOA
accuracy OTB with a 25-06 barrel! Mine got about what Wildwilly is getting
with his 22-250 until I discovered the chamber was reamed .005 too deep
and with a .003 gap between barrel & frame, the case was doin' a lot of
bouncing around after the firing pin hit the primer. Then, too, the barrel
was so rough that it grabbed fibers of patches and wouldn't let them go!!!
Remedy - wildcat 270 cartridges to fit, and Flitz the heck out of the bore to
get 3/4" groups @ 100 yds.

Wildwilly - No, the Flitz isn't too abrasive, but ya need to protect your
chamber (I used an old case with a drilled out primer pocket). Just go
one way through the barrel from the chamber end for 100 strokes. Wet
a patch with Flitz and shove that patch through 5 times, wet another
patch & repeat, 'til you've done a hundred strokes.  Shooting a few
hundred rounds through the barrel will get ya the same results, but it's
a lot more fun to hit what ya aim at during those few hundred rounds!
Make sure ya clean all the Flitz out of the barrel and whatever may
have seeped back into the chamber neck prior to firing.

You will also need to get proper clearance on that forearm. Both VVCG
and Bulberry make a lot better hanger/forearm system than the
forearm that came on the rifle.
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Offline Thebear_78

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22-250 accuracy
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2004, 01:57:30 AM »
Willy-
I'm work quite a bit with orings on my paint truck and really don't think I would trust those fickle little pains-n-the buts.  I got some neopreme 5/32 flat washers from home depot and used them instead.  They seem to work very well with quite a bit of float.  I have the 24" sporter barrel with a 3-9x40 burris ballistic plex.  The first shooting I did with this rifle was all at 100 yards.  Winchester bulk varmint pack 45gr HP and winchester supereme 55gr BT.  The winchester ammo would print 1.25"-1.5" for 5 shots at 100 yards and the 55gr BT load would shoot about half that .75"-1".  This was good enough for what I intended this rifle to do.  When I got the rifle back home I installed those washers and headed to the 300 yard range.  I couldn't find any of the winchester 45gr HP in town so I picked up some remington UMC 45gr HP ammo.  I pretty much just bought it for the brass.  At $8.75 a box it was almost the same price as 20 brass at the only place in town that had it.  My first shooting at 100 yards wasn't impressive, 1.25"-1.5" for five shots, but usually the first 3 under 1".  Next I moved out to a 4" shoot-n-C target at 20 yards.  First 3 shots touching slightly low and left, surprised I made the adjustment and fired three more shots.  These also fell in all touching just a tad high.  I figured that was as good a zero as any so left the knobs alone.  Next I lugged out my target box to 300 yards and placed a 8" shoot-n-C target on it.  I figured that this would be the average chest size of a coyote and would have been happy to just keep the 3 shots inside the circle.  I used the first cros mark below the center crosshairs for 300, figuring this would be about right at 300 yards.  Three shots in just under 2" group, nice, but was it a fluke.  I aimed for the shipping label that I could just make out in the 9x scope, the cros mark just covered it up.  3 shots and again nice group between 1.75"-2".   To say the least I was very pleasently surprised.  Is this because of the washers?  I can't say because it shot pretty goot before I put them on, but I'll tell you this it sure didn't hurt anything!  I admit that I think I probably got lucky with this one but with a little playing around I'm sure you will get yours shooting good too.

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