Author Topic: Length Of Pull (Read 849 times)

SURVEYOR · « **on:** January 23, 2004, 06:52:40 AM »

How does you go about knowing what Length Of Pull is need for buying any given rifle? I ask this because of the need to add length to the stock on one of my rifles, and reading where one person got a rifle that is a little too long to fit. That can also go for a rifle length of pull being too short. My rifle fits me fairly well, but my cheek weld is about a ½ inch short of where I want it due to the scope position. I have plenty of eye relieve but I need ½ inch more in the length of pull to suite me. My fix is not all that bad being Ill add a spacer between the butt of the stock and recoil pad. It would be nice to move the scope forward, but that does not always work. How do you know when the Length Of Pull is right for your fit.

Jules J.

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #1 on:** January 23, 2004, 12:27:57 PM »

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How does you go about knowing what Length Of Pull is need for buying any given rifle?

I guess you really don't, in most cases-- the way they come is the way they come. Most rifles here are in a fairly narrow range, from 13-1/2 to 14-1/4" or so. The problem with "just" length of pull is that is doesn't tell you anything about the relationship of where a pistol grip tells you to put your hand, or anything about comb height or shape-- whether fat, round, or elevated like a monte carlo buttstock.

Other than saying nothing beats a test drive, I can't really say. Longer and thicker combed stocks feel better to me, personally.

sheephunterab · « **Reply #2 on:** January 29, 2004, 01:26:20 PM »

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How does you go about knowing what Length Of Pull is need for buying any given rifle?

It's quite simple really. Bend your arm at a right angle with the palm up and measure from your bicep to the last joint on the trigger finger. Mine is an even 15". Lay a rifle on the same arm and your trigger finger should easily wrap around the trgger. My wife has a pull of 13.5 inches so she needs to cut most of her stocks down.

Thomas Krupinski · « **Reply #3 on:** January 29, 2004, 02:49:46 PM »

I guess about the best way is to just try it with clothing and pack that you will be using the rifle with. If your cheek weld is right to the spot needed without additional adjustment or movement when getting into the different positions you may be shooting from, it's right.

SURVEYOR · « **Reply #4 on:** January 29, 2004, 03:24:56 PM »

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How does you go about knowing what Length Of Pull is need for buying any given rifle?

It's quite simple really. Bend your arm at a right angle with the palm up and measure from your bicep to the last joint on the trigger finger. Mine is an even 15". Lay a rifle on the same arm and your trigger finger should easily wrap around the trgger. My wife has a pull of 13.5 inches so she needs to cut most of her stocks down.

Good to see you back Sheep. You are the only one that answered that question correctly. That is a good rule of thumb for the Length Of Pull. What have you been hunting Sheep?

Jules J.

big6x6 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 29, 2004, 05:05:45 PM »

"You are the only one that answered that question correctly. "

If you knew the answer, WHY did you ask the question??

SURVEYOR · « **Reply #6 on:** January 29, 2004, 05:54:31 PM »

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"You are the only one that answered that question correctly. "

If you knew the answer, WHY did you ask the question??

To see what others felt about their stock fit. I need to lenghten my stock by an inch to fit me better. I wanted to see if any others may have the same problem. But I found out every body is quit happy with the way their stock fits, or they just shoot it the way it is. On another site I posted a chart for fitting rifle and shotgun stocks for a better fit. No body answered in a knowageable way. I just droped the subject until tonight when Sheep answered. I do read where some buy rifles that give them troubles with scope eye relief. I really don't have that problem, but I'm not happy with the position of my cheek weld to the stock and scope. In doing so I though my be I could help people buy rifles with stock that fit them. So that's WHY I ask the question. To get an answer, to find out how people felt about their stocks, and to help people buy rifles with stocks that fit them better.

That's All,

Jules J.

grouse · « **Reply #7 on:** January 29, 2004, 07:13:08 PM »

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"You are the only one that answered that question correctly. "

If you knew the answer, WHY did you ask the question??

To see what others felt about their stock fit. I need to lenghten my stock by an inch to fit me better. I wanted to see if any others may have the same problem. But I found out every body is quit happy with the way their stock fits, or they just shoot it the way it is. On another site I posted a chart for fitting rifle and shotgun stocks for a better fit. No body answered in a knowageable way. I just droped the subject until tonight when Sheep answered. I do read where some buy rifles that give them troubles with scope eye relief. I really don't have that problem, but I'm not happy with the position of my cheek weld to the stock and scope. In doing so I though my be I could help people buy rifles with stock that fit them. So that's WHY I ask the question. To get an answer, to find out how people felt about their stocks, and to help people buy rifles with stocks that fit them better.

That's All,

Jules J.

Surveyor :roll:

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John Y Cannuck · « **Reply #8 on:** January 30, 2004, 01:29:22 AM »

On clothing.

My summer length of pull is 16.5" this is a pain in the forehead, with scopes and standard stocks anyway, but with peep sights, it's a blessing. I get nice and close.
I do get smacked in the nose by my own thumb at times however.

In winter, my length of pull is shrunk by clothing for me, that means the scope now doesn't hit me, and taking the apperature out of the peep sight to maintain field of view.

I have one custom stock so far. Problem is, it fits great in summer, too long in winter.

Solution? nope.
Work arounds yes, you get used to it.

My next custom will have a 15.5" pull length, a comprimise for both seasons.

SURVEYOR · « **Reply #9 on:** January 30, 2004, 02:08:26 AM »

Surveyor :roll:

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Thanks John,

That is one more thing to think about.

Well Grouse,

Looks like the thread is working now,!!!!! :lol:

Jules

big6x6 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 30, 2004, 03:03:51 AM »

That may be AN answer but not necessarily THE answer. Shooting from the bench, a longer LOP may be desirable.

UNDER FIELD CONDITIONS that longer LOP may become a hinderance. Consider the fact you may be wearing heavy clothing, there's your 1/2 to 1 inch right there. What if you're fatigued from a long walk uphill and need to quickly shoulder your rifle WEARING that extra couple of layers? How many times have I been in a tree stand in an awkward shooting position and WISHED for a shorter LOP?

MY solution is to add a slip-on recoil pad at the range. I can leave it on or take it off according to climate/shooting situation.

SURVEYOR · « **Reply #11 on:** January 30, 2004, 04:38:58 AM »

big6x6,

You know that's a good idea. Cheap, easy to do, and a temporary fix before cutting stocks or adding specers.

Thanks,

Jules

Dave in WV · « **Reply #12 on:** January 30, 2004, 05:55:33 AM »

I'm 5'10" and I have a 13" LOP on both of my rifles. According to two NRA instructors from Camp Perry the trigger finger to bicep measurement needs two finger widths between the butt and the bicep. My LOP at 13" has one finger width between them and two would be too short for me. A 13" LOP is good summer or winter for me and MUCH better in the winter than a 13.5" LOP.

Lee D. · « **Reply #13 on:** January 30, 2004, 06:14:58 AM »

The best way is to try different guns and measure the one that fits best. The "bicep to last joint" method is a good starting point. After years of fumbling around with too long stocks I started trying different fits and found that for my height 5'8' and arm length ?? 13 5/16 is exactly right on most rifles with normal weight clothing. A touch long with real heavy and a touch short with just a T shirt. I had to move scopes to get the eye relief correct, but I know that I shoot at least 50% better offhand with a rifle that fits correctly. Now if you look thru the trigger guards in my gun rack all of the triggers are lined up.

gunnut69 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 30, 2004, 12:15:26 PM »

Pull length is only one measurement that affects the fits of a weapon. Also rifles need to fit differently than do shotguns. Pitch has a profound effect of how a rifle sits on the shoulder. Toe-in,toe-out alter the fit of the butt plate into the pocket of the shoulder. This can be a real biggy with some of the heavy hitters and DGR's. Castoff is another overlooked measurement that can alter of perception of how a rifle fits us. I guess what I'm saying is when we say a certain pull length is the way it is we are really not totally correct. Several measurements are needed and altering some of them can cause us to alter our opinion of one of the other measurements. There is nothing truly that can replace a careful fitting.. Then the better the fitter, the better the fit. I believe this may be one of those instances where it's more an art than a science..

sheephunterab · « **Reply #15 on:** January 31, 2004, 05:23:17 AM »

Hey Surveyor, thanks. I was down in Vegas for a week at a buddy's wedding and then I have just been busy editing some video. I haven't had any time to visit the boards. The next couple weeks don't look much better but after that I'll be back.