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Offline cowboyup453

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Boyds' forend
« on: April 13, 2012, 11:20:59 AM »
They finally got them in stock. Looks like they do not have a spacer though. ::) 
They look nice, but the shipping cost is ridiculous. 16.69 to me for one forend. >:(

http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/NEF-or-H-R-Thumbhole-Stocks-s/204.htm
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Re: Boyds' forend
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2012, 05:19:35 PM »
Yep! I agree $16.69 is kinda hefty for shipping just the fore end. 
Brings the price for just the fore end to about the price of a complete used stock set.
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Re: Boyds' forend
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2012, 07:57:11 PM »
good to see you got one the prices on every thing is going up  the dollar is only worth 25 cents. ;D
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Re: Boyds' forend
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2012, 04:18:30 AM »
As a business owner, I can tell you that the cost of shipping, when you figure in ALL the expenses is kind of shocking. It costs just as much to ship that small part worth $40 as an item that costs $500, less insurance. I thought that I had to do nationwide service, but my bottom line has went up a  bunch, when I decided to stop shipping and just do local and commercial work. If you would have bought 4 of them the price would not have changed much as any for shipping and handling. Then you could have sold the rest to us and charged us $40 including shipping! :D
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Re: Boyds' forend
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2012, 04:34:05 AM »
The exaggerated shipping costs that some sellers add is what drives me away from doing business with them. I much prefer to pay a bit more for a product and get fast service with a reasonable shipping cost. Some sellers/dealers just think sellers are willing to pay two and three times the cost of shipping and will do so without a complaint. I for one will not and would like to see everyone avoid those unscrupulous sellers. I would like everyone to stop doing business with those sellers/dealers who try to rip off customers by inflating shipping costs.
I also shoot and build AR style rifles, there are many sellers of parts for those rifles, but one fairly new company, "The Citizens Armory" started selling parts for AR's (and other guns as well) and they ship for a great small fee. Thier business has grown by leaps and bounds because they do not try to rip off the customer by adding additional unwarranted cost to each part by unfairly jacking up the "shipping and handling" fees....<><....:)
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Re: Boyds' forend
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2012, 07:13:02 AM »
So what your saying, is, you don't think you should pay the $3-4 for the box and packing materials, the $6-8 that Fed Ex or UPS charges, the $20 weekly pickup fee for having them stop every day, the 3-4% creditacard fees, plus the additional $40-$60 a month fees that unless, you are paying the merchant fees, you know nothing about, because they are "hidden fees". Then, you probably don't want to pay for the persons, social security matching+ wages+work comp+unimployment+vacations+insurance, if offered,+ all the related OSHA expenses, which I have calculated to over $500 per person. Then you surely would not want to pay for the person that is hired to do the job to make a $ for the company, because they should do it for free. I will get off my horse no, but not charging for the associated costs is one of the reasons why companies close the doors and the work goes to Mexico, or China. Before I started paying the bills incured, I was just as clueless as to what all of this costs. Before any one says, well just use the Post Office, I ask how much longer are they going to be subsidized by the taxpayers to the sum of billions of $$, for not charging the true cost of service, or paying local, and state property or sales taxes for the products they sell for a loss and the property they/we own. Yep Boyds are crooks!
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Re: Boyds' forend
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2012, 07:13:29 AM »
Yep, profit on shipping is looked down on by me also.  It appears to me that on the diagonal might make it into a small flat rate at $5.35, or a flat rate medium at $11.30 at the most.
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Re: Boyds' forend
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2012, 08:21:16 AM »
So after the $11.30 for shipping, They are making a killing off of the $5 left for labor and all other incurred expenses? ??? ??? ?  Good luck in business doing every thing for free! Thanks Boyds for actually offering a product that folks want.  FYI I was quoted $20 to ship a stock set from Iowa to Nebraska. Is that a ripoff also?
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Re: Boyds' forend
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2012, 08:59:49 AM »
Moorepower,
Sorry, because my first post had nothing to do with your rant, but it's a simple fact that it's bad business to profit on shipping.

I develop business gross margin calculations every day as an engineer with a large manufacturing company and shipping has been transparent in every business I have ever been a part of.  All costs related to manufacturing should be in one category and all costs related to shipping  in another.  Handling within most companies is handled as overhead and is a set value calculated into the gross margins of every product they make to keep things even.  The cost associated to the person for shipping should be Exactly what it costs to ship said product.  If five dollars is made on the shipping, that should be part of the original part price, not rolled into shipping which has set boundaries.  The process of jacking up shipping to make it seem like a products price is more acceptable is wrong and misadvertisement basically.
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Re: Boyds' forend
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2012, 11:52:07 AM »
USPS offers free boxes and free pick up. Employees of any company get paid a weekly salary anyway, so making more money than what the shipping cost is from each and every customer, over and over again is wrong. Customers are important for every business to survive, so if businesses tried to treat the customers fairly and honestly they will become repeat customers, and repeat customers, especially happy repeat customers that sing the virtues and honesty of a company are good for business. The company I mentioned, "The Citizens Armory", is good to it's customers and honest in it's shipping fee's. They are growing every day and most new customers (as I was once) sing thier virtues and honesty to others, who then become repeat customers. There is a valued place in business for honesty and not trying to stick it to customers for exaggerated and inflated shipping fees. I woulkd much rather deal with an honest person than aomeone who just wants to get as much money from each customer as they can. Profit should be on the items sold and the shipping should cover the shipping, not be another source of (poorly)hidden profit. A case in point, a "c" clip (circlip) to go on the end of the shaft that holds to port door in place on an AR15 is about $.95 IIRC (profit included). The cost to ship it in a first class envelope is about $.60, stamp and envelope, cheaper if you have a postage machine. Some places charge an $8.00 minimum "shipping and handling" fee. "The Citizens Armory" charge's $.80 IIRC. Who do you think you would buy from if you needed just the one small part? Who do you think I and others are buying from? If you buy from them for the one small part I say give them all your business, they are an honest company who make a profit, are growing, and care for thier customers....<><....:)
 
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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2012, 04:01:42 AM »
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Re: Boyds' forend
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2012, 04:14:20 AM »
Not saying this is what Boyd's is doing as I have no idea what it cost them to ship something.
 
That being said....I've learned to check what an item will cost to get to my door versus what they list it at. This was a scam some of the Evilbay folks used to do. Sell you something a bargain basement prices then hang it in you on S&H charges.  >:(  Pays to check it out ahead of time still these days.
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Re: Boyds' forend
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2012, 04:35:19 AM »
Check out shipping costs at Green Top Sporting Goods, Glen Allen, Va.
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Re: Boyds' forend
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2012, 10:39:32 AM »
Numrich has unfinished smooth camo lam forends in stock for $27.20 and $5.45 shipping if anyone needs one, I've ordered two in the last three weeks, they come w/spacer mounted, all sanded and ready to be finished, no sling stud tho, but drilled for one. They have a bull barrel channel, so no need to hog out to float!  ;D

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H&R part #FS02451 from Numrich http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Detail.aspx?pid=1359070&catid=3624
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Re: Boyds' forend
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2012, 11:45:24 AM »
As someone pointed out, I learned on Ebay to include shipping and tax in all price considerations. It doesn't matter to me if the product is $20 and the shipping is $20; or if the product is $35 and the shipping is $5; or if it is in the store down the road for $37 with $3 tax.  Any one of the three ways I'm out $40.


Now let's compare one source that is incomplete for $40 and $17 shipping versus one that is complete for $28 and $6 shipping.


Wow!  what is the question????  :o ???
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