Does your Encore eat scope rings?

[Spokerider]

I mounted a Leupold 1x4 scope on a TC encore with 44 mag barrel. Scope was mounted to a weaver base with Warne Maxima Quick Detach scope rings.
Went to the range and worked up some 330 gr stiff hunting loads......maybe 20 rounds fired. Got home, took the scope off, and low and behold, the square stainless steel recoil control keys that engage the weaver base had both broken into pieces. Further, the two recoil slots in the weaver base were galled from the recoil. Hummmm. Everything was tight before / during shooting. I had had the same scope and base on a Marlin GG with 550gr rounds fired with no such problems.
Anyone had this happen with Warme rings?
http://warnescopemounts.com/product/maxima-quick-detach-rings/

[Grumulkin]

I'm assuming you're shooting a 44 Magnum handgun and I'm not particularly surprised at your results.  If shooting a rifle, I have to assume your Weaver style base was not a Warne base which is steel but rather probably an aluminum base.  The "recoil control keys," by the way are not stainless steel but aluminum.


Warne QD rings are my go to rings for my Encore and Contender rifle barrels but I always used them with Warne bases.  The only problem I've ever had with them is sometimes the keys are defective and fall out but that is easily remedied by Warne.  The largest cartridge I've used them with in Encores and Contenders is 300 Win. Mag.  I use standard Warne (as opposed to QD) rings on a Warn base in a 378 Weatherby and have had no issues with it.


For heavy recoiling handgun cartridges I use SSK Industries' T'SOB 6 screw base with 4 rings and have had no problem even with 500 S&W Magnum, 444 Marlin and 375 H&H Magnum cartridges.

[Spokerider]

Thank you for the reply and the info you have shared.
I'm shooting a carbine with the 12'' barrel, and no, the base is not a Warne brand, but some aluminum brand.......
Good pick up on the control keys being aluminum and not steel, thanks. Can I get replacement keys from Warne? If I were to switch the base to a steel design, would that hold together?
I use the scope for working up an accurate load, and then put on the Skinner sight for shooting thereafter.

[Keith L]

I assume you are not doing this in the United States?

[Grumulkin]

Thank you for the reply and the info you have shared.
I'm shooting a carbine with the 12'' barrel, and no, the base is not a Warne brand, but some aluminum brand.......
Good pick up on the control keys being aluminum and not steel, thanks. Can I get replacement keys from Warne? If I were to switch the base to a steel design, would that hold together?
I use the scope for working up an accurate load, and then put on the Skinner sight for shooting thereafter.

1.  Unless you have been approved by the ATF for a SBR (Short Barreled Rifle) with your particular frame, you can't legally mount a barrel any shorter than 16 inches in a carbine configuration in the U.S.A.  This is actually a very big deal; on the order of illegally making a suppressor or machine gun.


2.  I think if you called Warne, they would send you keys probably at no charge.


3.  In a carbine configuration, I believe you would have no problem with the Warne steel Weaver style bases.

[Spokerider]

 
 
 
 
......is permitted in Canada  .
 
 
 

I assume you are not doing this in the United States?

[Grumulkin]

I guess you guys do have some freedoms we don't have.


Also, surprisingly to me, in various countries in Europe, suppressors are not only legal but encouraged.  Also they're OK in many parts of Africa.

[Brithunter]

Yes Sound Moderators, Suppressors, are favoured here in the UK on health and safety grounds to protect hearing and reduce noise pollution. In fact on a new 100M range being built no far from here the planning consent states that after a certain hour of the day only rifles with moderators may be used on the range.


It was not long ago that the Police here refuse to allow Moderators then it seems due to some industrial injury claims for hearing loss by Government employed rangers on Forestry deer control the Home Office who are supposed to govern the Police decreed that they would be allowed for all on the health and Safety grounds. The Police had to cave in then.

[kynardsj]

Never had any problems with an Encore "eating" scope rings and I've had some heavy hitters. Hot 45-70's, 300 Win Mag, 460 S&W Mag and 500 S&W Mag. When I had my 500 mag I did put the scope on a three ring system. Two rings on the backend and one on the front. No problems there but I have had recoil shake the crosshairs out of a couple of scopes. Here's a pic of my Encore rifle with the three ring system. I've also used it on Encore pistols.

[Spokerider]

Nice carbine.
 
What make and model are the rings and base? Is the base steel?

[Brithunter]

Interesting. A friend in the US has it seems just ordered a barrel in .375 H&H and a new frame and stock set to go with it. I expect he will need some robust scope mounts for that one.

[kynardsj]

Thanks. The base is an aluminum Weaver and I don't remember the ring brand. Something I picked up online probably from Ebay. I just wanted something to imitate the TSOB set up I've seen on some. This scope, rings and base was on my 500 S&W Mag barrel and one of the scopes that died ( A Bushnell Banner) was in them but the rings and base have always been solid. Scope pictured is a Bushnell Elite 3200 I replaced the Banner with. The barrel pictured is a 20 " 45 long colt. I run max Ruger/TC loads in it but they're mild compared to the other calibers I mentioned.