Author Topic: Gun purchace records (Read 916 times)

blind ear · « **on:** June 04, 2012, 05:55:04 AM »

If by chance in the future martial law is declared and officials start confiscateing guns do you think records of gun sales will go "missing" ? By "chance" or accidental fire perhaps. What would be a good scenario? ear

DickelDawg · « **Reply #1 on:** June 04, 2012, 05:59:24 AM »

What gun purchase records?

lakota · « **Reply #2 on:** June 04, 2012, 07:24:58 AM »

I lost all of my guns in an unfortunate duck boat accident years ago. I never got around to replacing any of them.

Sourdough · « **Reply #3 on:** June 04, 2012, 08:46:20 AM »

I sold all mine at gun shows, and garage sales.

muznut 54 · « **Reply #4 on:** June 04, 2012, 09:06:37 AM »

Guns what guns? I have CRS disease, cant remember sh..

LONGTOM · « **Reply #5 on:** June 04, 2012, 10:53:41 AM »

I really don't think it will matter by then.
They already know about most of us by now anyway!

LONGTOM

briarpatch · « **Reply #6 on:** June 04, 2012, 11:12:41 AM »

They dont do it by gun purchase records. They simple make a law outlawing guns and if you are caught with one for any reason, they give you ten years mandatory. They know how to do it and laugh when they see you trying to figure a way out. Its coming, you will get your chance to try to slip one through, but you want.

Empty Quiver · « **Reply #7 on:** June 09, 2012, 04:47:48 AM »

I don't believe for a second NICS checks records are expunged. Currently they are illegal to use, currently ... They may not be handy but I'm sure they are not gone.

Through propaganda and coercement people will become increasingly afraid of the gun owning public. Children will be taught how evilit is to hunt, and how foolish it is to defend ones self, best leave that to profesionals.

Registration, imposition of burdensome paperwork and fee's. Banning of all manner of action types, magazine capacity, calibre, barrel length restrictions.

No provisions for home storage of either gun or ammunition. Quite simply look to Great Britian for your future gun law.

Martial law? Any gun seen will be confiscated and the person handling it imprisoned and harshly sentenced, made an example of. Then the above will be implemented as well as voluntary give back campaigns.

Scibaer · « **Reply #8 on:** June 09, 2012, 04:48:50 AM »

they will make new laws, outlawing ownership of any type of firearm and checking records to see who has them.
simply mail you a card, asking you to turn in the firearms you have registered.
and ammo will be outlawed, and reloading gear and any firearm related tack.
one small step at a time..

saying all that, they have loosened up the gun laws in michigan to some extent. no safety check, looser consealed carry rules, new laws that support the ccw holder better , peaceable journey law, no wait purchase permit.
and when i hear about firearm confiscation on a country wide level or some crazy new state law in some other state.. it makes me think hard about whats going on..

personally, i dont own any firearms, i come here for the fellowship

muznut 54 · « **Reply #9 on:** June 09, 2012, 05:10:45 AM »

They will have to pry my guns from my cold dead hands

I'm glad I live in Maine I can walk out that day from a gun shop with a two or more new handguns and the first new handgun I ever bought in 1979 in Connecticut I had to wait several days or a week or more I forget the exact time but that sucked.

jimster · « **Reply #10 on:** June 09, 2012, 11:19:58 AM »

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If by chance in the future martial law is declared and officials start confiscateing guns do you think records of gun sales will go "missing" ? By "chance" or accidental fire perhaps. What would be a good scenario? ear

They don't have enough "officials" to confiscate guns.

(Reuters) - The United States has 90 guns for every 100 citizens, making it the most heavily armed society in the world, a report released on Tuesday said.
U.S. citizens own 270 million of the world's 875 million known firearms, according to the Small Arms Survey 2007 by the Geneva-based Graduate Institute of International Studies.About 4.5 million of the 8 million new guns manufactured worldwide each year are purchased in the United States, it said."There is roughly one firearm for every seven people worldwide. Without the United States, though, this drops to about one firearm per 10 people," it said.

briarpatch · « **Reply #11 on:** June 09, 2012, 12:24:18 PM »

The Aussies are a good example of how it will be done. They simple ask and we go running to turn them in. To not turn them in would be bad, real bad.

Hooker · « **Reply #12 on:** June 09, 2012, 04:39:11 PM »

I'm not really concerned about what they will do. I will retain my rights until the day I die.
How about the rest of y'all?

Pat

northkid · « **Reply #13 on:** June 10, 2012, 04:51:23 PM »

Quote from: LONGTOM on June 04, 2012, 10:53:41 AM

I really don't think it will matter by then.
They already know about most of us by now anyway!

LONGTOM

Bingo... If you every bought a handgun, rifle from a FFL deal, ammo with a CC, CPL/CCW you are in the system. Even if you don't have any firearms from your duck flipping over you are still on the list.

gstewart44 · « **Reply #14 on:** June 11, 2012, 02:13:14 AM »

Yup - while it may be illegal now for the gubment to access the FFL records wantonly, they could pass a law allowing it, or the ATF could just ignore the current law. Anyone with a CCW permit is a known entity to the gubment. And certainly all of the bantering back and forth here on GBO, some with signature lines listing what guns they have in their personal collections, will be known to those that want to take away our 2nd Amendment Rights.

All the info is already out there....wouldn't take them too long to filter it if they wanted.

muznut 54 · « **Reply #15 on:** June 11, 2012, 02:19:14 AM »

Yeah your right its not our records we have to worry about.

LONGTOM · « **Reply #16 on:** June 11, 2012, 03:16:20 AM »

If the time ever comes to take mine, at the end of the day it won't matter to ONE of the two sides involved!

LONGTOM

magooch · « **Reply #17 on:** June 11, 2012, 03:29:36 AM »

If we reach the point where our government turns on us to the degree that it totally ignors the most important part of our Constitution, it would seem to me that we haven't anything left to lose and it would be time to take the action that the Second Amendment was written for in the first place.

blind ear · « **Reply #18 on:** June 11, 2012, 06:56:21 AM »

Quote from: magooch on June 11, 2012, 03:29:36 AM

If we reach the point where our government turns on us to the degree that it totally ignors the most important part of our Constitution, it would seem to me that we haven't anything left to lose and it would be time to take the action that the Second Amendment was written for in the first place.

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+1 by me and many others here I am sure. Catalist, scheduals, communication, lots of things missing. It would be random chaos for as long as it lasted. ear

r29l20 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 11, 2012, 08:44:29 AM »

They can have my guns, bullets first.

DDZ · « **Reply #20 on:** June 11, 2012, 11:24:09 AM »

Doesn't the BATF get all the 4473 forms if a FFL dealer goes out of business? I really do find it hard to believe that the NICS records are destroyed after a short time. Especially after seeing them circumvent the Constitution for years. I really don't trust anything they say. If they are keeping them illegally, who are they going to investigate, themselves?
Our right to bear arms is there to keep government under our control, and protect us from tyranny. Our Forefathers knew this time period was coming, when government would want our arms. If we give them up, we can kiss any other freedom that we think we might have, good bye.
We still do have the power to keep wanna be dictators, and communists out of our government by voting, but that hasn't been working to well lately.

ratdog · « **Reply #21 on:** June 11, 2012, 08:26:09 PM »

buy guns from private individuals.

LONGTOM · « **Reply #22 on:** June 12, 2012, 01:50:32 AM »

Quote from: ratdog on June 11, 2012, 08:26:09 PM

buy guns from private individuals.

Doesn't matter.
If he bought it from a dealer or the guy before him did or before him did then they still can track it to you.
All they will do is go to the last registered owner and ask him to either produce the gun or who he sold it to on down the line until they either get to you or someone can't or won't tell them who they sold it to.
Most will tell to keep their butt clean.
Unless it was sold before records were being kept, they have it on file somewhere and can track it!
If they can track a calf with mad cow disease half way across the country back to it's mother then they can track a gun with a serial number!
Who cares.
When it comes to that it will be time to stand and be counted.
Big talk won't matter.
Stand for your rights as your forefathers did before you.
Win or lose, at the end of the day you will know that you have done the right thing!!!

LONGTOM

muznut 54 · « **Reply #23 on:** June 12, 2012, 01:52:56 AM »

Before I read the OP and just read the title I thought this was going to be about the 4473 forms and I don't think for a minute that they don't keep records of those.

magooch · « **Reply #24 on:** June 13, 2012, 03:55:29 AM »

Let's not stop at just blaming the government; I also blame the anti-gun citizens of this country. They are every bit as much traitors to the Constitution as any politician. Remember that--if and when the shooting starts.

blind ear · « **Reply #25 on:** June 13, 2012, 04:40:46 AM »

Quote from: magooch on June 13, 2012, 03:55:29 AM

Let's not stop at just blaming the government; I also blame the anti-gun citizens of this country. They are every bit as much traitors to the Constitution as any politician. Remember that--if and when the shooting starts.

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They are afraid and are taught to be afraid by the media, both parties and all branches of the government: "You can no longer think for or defend yourself, you are not capable. We know best." TPTB
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ear ear