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Offline 44 Man

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'Not a good range day
« on: June 22, 2012, 03:39:29 PM »
Well I took my Topper 30-30 to the range today, the one Brian repaired the ftf issue I had with it.  (Yeah Brian!)  I had swapped scopes on it and needed to sight it in again and it did fine.  I'm so happy to have her back and working again!  My problem was with my .223 (std barrel).  I ran about 30 rounds through it today.  My groups were a little unusual to say the least.  Most were an inch or less wide and about 3" tall.  First shot would go 2" high, next seemd to run 1/2 low, then in the middle, then high again....  and so on.  I was shooting pretty steady, about 10 shots at a time.  When I got home I cleaned the latch and shelf.  I got some black marker off it that I used to check the lock up, but no noticable oil.  I was shooting off a hard wooden block cushioned only by the sling.  Most were fired with no pressure on the forearm, some were.  I'm puzzled.  I think I need to get some good range bags before I go back again.  44 Man
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Re: 'Not a good range day
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2012, 04:00:37 PM »
When was the last time you cleaned the 223 ? The reason I ask is that mine does about the same thing till I put about 30 rounds or so back down the pipe , it just likes a fouled barrel .  ???
 
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Re: 'Not a good range day
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2012, 10:39:54 PM »
I agree with Stimpy.  The rest could be part of it too.  Do you have an "O" ring on it?

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Re: 'Not a good range day
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2012, 11:25:53 PM »
Shooting groups thru a clean, freshly fouled barrel is almost always benificial... but I am more conserned about shooting off such a hard surface. Never a good choice for small groups. The strap may protect form a delt, but will do nothing to stop the neg effects of such a herd rest.

Get, use a approprate rest (I like good ol'Sand bags) and see what happens. I'll bet things improve!

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Re: 'Not a good range day
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2012, 01:07:17 AM »
I agree about the rests. I have both both front and rear bought bags, and home made sand bags made out of blue jean legs. I use a combination of these. The surface you are shooting off of needs to have some give to it and it needs to be repeatable. The key to any accuracy shooting is doing every thing the same from shot to shot to shot. This includes how hard are you gripping the rifle or lack of gripping the rifle. Trigger pull has to be the same from shot to shot, the way the rifle sets in/on the "bags" has to be the same. Even how much pressure you have the rifle pushing into your shoulder will effect your shot to shot placement. Shooting a break open rifle offers challenges that a bolt rifles or even a falling block rifle does not. You have to place the rifle back into the bags exactly the same way after each shot and you have re-grip the rifle exactly the same way each time. It can be done, you just have to pay attention to the details. None of this has any thing to do with the actual rifle accuracy, it does have to do with consistency.

The other tips given as to cleaning and fouling the barrel apply too. Remember that every rifle is different - that is, they all like something different. Some like to be squeaky clean, some like being dirty or just a little fouled, some like a boat tailed bullet, some like a flat base bullet, different primers, different powders, etc. Shooting small groups is not easy, however some rifles are easier to do it with than others. Handis can shoot very well, but there are more variables involved in shooting them well than some other types of rifles.

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Re: 'Not a good range day
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2012, 01:39:17 AM »
Cleaning..... Hmm.  ???   Ok, I know the rules about cleaning, and I didn't think I had 'cleaned' it.  But I did run a dry bore snake through it twice after last shooting session, but I didn't really 'clean' it as I would if I actually wanted to scrub the bore out.  The barrel is only about two years old with just over a hundred rounds through it.  I used the bore snake with solvent when I got it new, then dry after the last time I shot it.  Thanks for the heads up, I hadn't thought about what I did as 'cleaning'.  I'm sure this gun can shoot very well as the last trip it was shooting at an inch, and the cross hairs move almost that much with every heart beat when I'm shooting.  I'm still suspecting the rest as the bigger part of this.  Our range does not have any pieces of carpet or such lying around and I didn't think to bring anything else with me this time.  I like the idea of a couple of bags made from jean's legs, I can do that at no expense.  :)   44 Man
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Re: 'Not a good range day
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2012, 02:36:41 AM »
anything loose?  Stock bolt, scope rings or rail?  No wiggle in action when locked up w/o the forestock? 
 
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Re: 'Not a good range day
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2012, 03:37:57 AM »
You can make 4 nice sized bags out of a pair of blue jeans. I can buy a pair at the local farm supply store for $10 cut the legs off and use what is left as a pair of jean shorts. Or if you have a decent pair that you have out grown or shrunk too much to fit any more will work too.

I only have 3 now. I was shooting a T/C Contender pistol and had the 4th bag laying out in front and was shooting over the top of it. I thought it was out of the way. The muzzle blast tore a hole into it...another lesson learned.

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Re: 'Not a good range day
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2012, 04:49:34 AM »
Bikerbeans, nothing loose and yes, I have an 'O' ring under the forearm.  LaOtto, I'd have to throw the jeans away after cutting the legs off, trust me, you don't want to see these legs in shorts!  :)
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Re: 'Not a good range day
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2012, 06:04:14 AM »
Along with the 'right' bags up front (some like softer, some firmer filling) make double sure you get in behind that gun on the bench the same each time. Chest up to the bench, feet flat and butt square and solid in the chair AND get that buttpad into the very same place on your shoulder. If it is not, the recoil impulse WILL vertically change your point of impact.
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Re: 'Not a good range day
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2012, 09:52:02 AM »
Vertical stringing could also be a problem with the ammo.  Try a different brand box the next trip...

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Re: 'Not a good range day
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2012, 03:08:09 PM »
Geezerbiker, this was proven ammo that I reloaded and has proven very accurate in the past in several guns.  BUT just to be sure I ran some Ultramax through the gun with the same dispersion.  I do have to admit that I didn't put my hands on the forearm at all for the first few shots but I don't remember if I did after that or not.  I took my usual 'accuracy' position; snuggled in behind the gun, gun tight into my shoulder, left hand under the butt to control elevation.  My SOP.  44 Man
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Re: 'Not a good range day
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2012, 08:05:58 PM »
sorry to here the 223 is giving you fits. mine shoots great dirty or clean.i shot it one day and it shot real bad found out it was the pmc ammo i was feeding it back to my reloads now back to normal. i bought some that cheap ammo on a wim not again.i have two 223's one 22'' barrel and a shorty 16/12''. the shorty starts shooting wider groups after about 6 shots. i let it sit and cool and its shooting right on. ;)

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Re: 'Not a good range day
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2012, 08:09:51 PM »
laotto222. thats a real good idea on the sand bags i am going to get my wife to sew me up three. ;D