Update Indiana: Now OK to shoot Cops in 'unlawful home intrusions'....

[TM7]

Don't know about this interpretation of 'Castle Doctrine' ....According to this article Indiana governor signs law legalizing OK to shoot public servants during 'unlawful home intrusions'.......you decide...fyi....TM7
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http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/indiana-legalizes-shooting-cops/16175
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[hardertr]

I'll admit, I have been watching too much TV lately.  "Cops" and "SWAT" in particular.  A recent episode of "Dallas SWAT" covered an drug warrant where the home of an innocent family was invaded.  Apparently, SWAT had the wrong address, but destroyed the home during entry just the same.


If that were to happen to my home, at night, it troubles me as to possible outcomes.
1) EVERYONE seems to be screaming "POLICE...SEARCH WARRANT!" to the point you can't even understand them
2) During a forced entry with concussion grenades, and storming of the home in the dark.... it would be impossible to makes heads-or-tails of the situation until the lights came on
3) What if criminals start using these tactics to enter a home, and thereby minimizing their risk of homeowner resistance?


I am all for (well...for the most part) the mission of police and SWAT teams, and I would never be able to forgive myself if protecting my family resulted in a shootout over a potentially legitimate mistake on their part.  Unfortunately, I don't have much faith in a jury siding with me during such an unfortunate event either.

[srussell]

what about someone like me? i have 75% hearing loss even if i did hear them i wouldn't understand what was said.

[Dixiejack]

The amount of force, equipment, guns, and other armament that a SWAT team plus other LE backup have when they come bursting in your house and you are quick enough to get off a round or two, do you think you are going to have to worry about setting in front of a jury of your peers?  Hopefully your other family members will survive. Six to carry you or twelve to convict you.

[srussell]

what should justify a forcefull inter? i know two officers that believe that if you have a ccw permit . that justivies forced entry. there thinking is if you carry your a dangerous individual

[SHOOTALL]

The key word is unlawful . If the police have done their work correctly then there should be no problem. In the case of a no knock warrant the police know the danger going in or it would not be a no knock entry . If a LEO tries to come in unlawfully he is a criminal and using his badge to commit a crime one should have the right to defend themselves from such illegal attack. Its the same as with castle doctrine and stand your ground laws they require proof of your commiting a crime before police can arrest you now they can't hide behind a badge to commit a crime. I doubt it will effect good LEO's

[Curtis]

Why is it that judges are so quick to approve no knock warrants?  I have heard of several instances where they could have just picked up the subject of the warrant from his place of employment instead of deploying SWAT.  There needs to be a better vetting process.
 
Curtis

[yellowtail3]

Why is it that judges are so quick to approve no knock warrants?  I have heard of several instances where they could have just picked up the subject of the warrant from his place of employment instead of deploying SWAT.  There needs to be a better vetting process.
 
Curtis

Police works is more appealing to certain types if they get to swagger, and I think most LEO types - and the institution generally - like to throw their weight around a bit. Kicking in the door for a 'no-knock' - the kind of thing that would get me shot or jailed? - is waaaaay too common.

[SHOOTALL]

In most govt. agencies it is nessary to justify the existance of all things that cost. Here the housing market has fallen off quite a bit . thousands of houses were built in 2007 now its under 1000 most likely. Yet the number of inspectors has remained the same. They are creative in making sure they can justify their jobs. Most jobs get turnned down at least once. The never before used maintance code is being enforced etc. Cops are no different if they have an entry team or SWAT team they have to press them into service or lose it funding for it. The fact that the no knock entry in itself breeds violence is all the better to justify the use of the speical teams . One has to wonder why so many SWAT teams exist like at the DOT etc 

[gypsyman]

I believe that alot of them have grown up with the mind-set that it's ok to act like that. How many tv shows starting in the 60's, depict LE in this type of confrontation. And now, you've had a flood of reality shows showing this. Could it be that LE and judge's are influenced by having grown up with this? In reality, I'll bet the percentage of mistake's on no knock entry is quite low. The millions in lawsuits because of this would want to make them get it right. Also, when it does happen, how many times is it by federal officers. Local cops know their neighborhoods, and no doubt have a better handle on what's going on in what house. Federal officers coming in from hundreds of miles away, different states, just don't know precise house's/locations. gypsyman

[Land_Owner]

hardertr,

+1.  LIKE this!  Very well stated.

My suspicion is if a citizen invokes this right to defend his castle, and some 'public servants' go down...that citizen is going down before its all over.

+1. No doubt about it!

In reality, I'll bet the percentage of mistake's on no knock entry is quite low.

+1.  I hope some day it goes to ZERO and stays there.

Why is it that judges are so quick to approve no knock warrants?  I have heard of several instances where they could have just picked up the subject of the warrant from his place of employment instead of deploying SWAT.

It makes for better ratings on Reality TV ;-)