Author Topic: Ncaa drops heavy sanctions on Penn State over scandal. (Read 585 times)

powderman · « **on:** July 23, 2012, 02:34:24 AM »

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NCAA announces penalties for Penn State including four-year bowl ban and $60 million fine

By Nick Bromberg

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NCAA President Mark Emmert announced sanctions against Penn State University's football program Monday morning in light of the Jerry Sandusky sex abuse scandal and the findings of the Freeh Report investigation.
The details of the punishment:

Four year postseason ban
10 initial scholarship losses and 20 per year for four years
$60 million fine
All wins from 1998-2011 vacated
Five year probationary period

The NCAA's action in a case like this is unprecedented, as this was a legal issue -- there was no NCAA investigation. Emmert called this a "very distinct and very unique circumstance." And while the NCAA didn't invoke the death penalty like was given to SMU 25 years ago, it's a crippling blow to the program. Under former coach Joe Paterno, the team's most consecutive seasons without a bowl appearance was three. (You can read the entire list of sanctions from the NCAA here.)
After the vacated wins, Paterno's win total goes from 409 to 298. The $60 million fine will go into an endowment for charitable programs that serve the victims of sexual abuse. The NCAA also reserves the right for further individual punishments after all criminal proceedings are finished.
Penn State football players will be allowed to transfer without sitting out a season.
On Sunday, Paterno's statue was taken down in front of Beaver Stadium after Penn State officials in the days prior said a decision hadn't been made about the statue's future. It was removed via forklift and put into storage.
Sandusky, a former assistant coach for Penn State who also ran The Second Mile, a charity for at-risk youth, was convicted on June 22 of 45 of 48 counts of sexual abuse. Many of his victims knew Sandusky through the program.
The Freeh Report, released on July 12th, concluded that school officials covered up the Sandusky issue, saying "the most saddening finding by the Special Investigative Counsel is the total and consistent disregard by the most senior leaders at Penn State the safety and welfare of Sandusky's child victims." The Paterno family, which has said that Joe Paterno wasn't part of any cover-up, responded to the Freeh Report by conducting their own investigation.
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Conan The Librarian · « **Reply #1 on:** July 23, 2012, 02:38:48 AM »

They did the right thing. I'm glad to see they really nailed them. Hopefully this will clean up some long standing bad practices, only the most dramatic of which were exposed at State Penn.

Val · « **Reply #2 on:** July 23, 2012, 02:40:42 AM »

The current football players at Penn State did nothing wrong. It is very wrong to punish them. Punish the perpetrators and those involved with the cover-up with prison time.

magooch · « **Reply #3 on:** July 23, 2012, 03:48:44 AM »

How about the schools that are scheduled to play Penn State? If the Penn State program goes in the crapper, all the schools in the conference will be financial loosers. I think the whole thing has gotten a bit out of proportion.

m-g Willy · « **Reply #4 on:** July 23, 2012, 03:53:09 AM »

Quote from: Val on July 23, 2012, 02:40:42 AM

The current football players at Penn State did nothing wrong. It is very wrong to punish them. Punish the perpetrators and those involved with the cover-up with prison time.

That's true , but letting Penn state get away with covering up child molestation because the players had nothing to do with it isn't the right thing to do either.
I think a better penalty for Penn st. would make them give each player a full scholarship on Penn St. dime.
Then shut down the football program for no less than 50 years!
It was money that kept Penn St. from busting a childmolester.
So Penn should do without that football revenue for awhile.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #5 on:** July 23, 2012, 03:53:22 AM »

Quote from: Val on July 23, 2012, 02:40:42 AM

The current football players at Penn State did nothing wrong. It is very wrong to punish them. Punish the perpetrators and those involved with the cover-up with prison time.

I agree!The NCAA should stick to matters regarding violations pertaining to the sports programs.
What these scumbags allowed to happen is criminal, and punishment should be carried out in a court of law.
So all these wins and records set by the football players (under) Paterno, should be expunged?
Punish the innocent huh?IMO, everyone involved in the cover-up of Sandusky's crimes, should be brought to trial and punished severely for allowing him to (RAPE) young children over this period of time without doing anything to prevent it.!If you drive the get-away car in a bank robbery, are you not guilty of bank robbery as well?
To take away the records set at Penn State under Paterno isn't fair to the young men who did nothing wrong.

briarpatch · « **Reply #6 on:** July 23, 2012, 04:22:01 AM »

Schools are no longer places of higher learning they are cesspools of perversion.
The athletes they give scholarship to cant spell cat and don't have anything on their minds but sex. Most will make millions and be broke in few years.
To me the penalty imposed was joke, my guess is Penn state drew it up.
The only thing colleges are good for is a personal training program for professional sports at some else's expense.
The biggest disgrace in higher learning is black colleges.

Conan The Librarian · « **Reply #7 on:** July 23, 2012, 04:25:55 AM »

I don't see how it hurts the players. Those are not real students we're talking about, for the most part. They are there on an athletic scholarship. Those that are any good can simply call one of their recruiter contacts and move to another school if they want.

As for invalidating past wins, it's absolutely right. If they don't come down hard on this kind of behavior, then NCAA is tainted, and they don't want that to happen. The country is watching and the legitimacy of NCAA depends on what they do here. They have to punish schools that do stuff like this. It is clear enough that the problems were not just individual acts, but institutional acts.

This NCAA decision is one of the best I've ever seen. It addresses a lot of problems forcefully, decisively, and in a way that communicates NCAA's dedication to college sports.

mcbammer · « **Reply #8 on:** July 23, 2012, 04:28:07 AM »

Quote from: Val on July 23, 2012, 02:40:42 AM

The current football players at Penn State did nothing wrong. It is very wrong to punish them. Punish the perpetrators and those involved with the cover-up with prison time.

I agree , punishing the innocent along with the guilty is wrong.

lakota · « **Reply #9 on:** July 23, 2012, 04:39:02 AM »

I say shut them all down and go back to the business of providing education. Sports are not an integral part of high school or college education. Sports are an unnecessary burden on taxpayers. Around here the high school recently instituted "pay to play" because the local voters finally got sick of watching the district waste money and stopped passing levies. Now the parents are screaming because they have to pay for their kids to play sports. That's the way it should be. Its not my nor anyone else's responsibility to foot the bill so your kid can play football.

mcbammer · « **Reply #10 on:** July 23, 2012, 04:50:59 AM »

Quote from: lakota on July 23, 2012, 04:39:02 AM

I say shut them all down and go back to the business of providing education. Sports are not an integral part of high school or college education. Sports are an unnecessary burden on taxpayers. Around here the high school recently instituted "pay to play" because the local voters finally got sick of watching the district waste money and stopped passing levies. Now the parents are screaming because they have to pay for their kids to play sports. That's the way it should be. Its not my nor anyone else's responsibility to foot the bill so your kid can play football.

My question is these Universities are making mega - millions from football ,why does tuition goes up every year?

clum sum · « **Reply #11 on:** July 23, 2012, 05:12:22 AM »

It seems like a good start, now the NCAA need to get off their buts and go after a lot more schools. Any school that lies, cheats or has a sports first attitude.

lakota · « **Reply #12 on:** July 23, 2012, 05:52:06 AM »

Quote from: mcbammer on July 23, 2012, 04:50:59 AM

My question is these Universities are making mega - millions from football ,why does tuition goes up every year?

Thats a damn good question that I would like to hear an answer to.

Nuke41 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 23, 2012, 07:35:41 AM »

Punishment in cases like this has 2 components; punishment to the actual offenders and punishment that is a deterrent to others in the future. What the NCAA has inflicted has elements of both and while painful to Penn State fans is completely appropriate. What happened at Penn State is so egregious that their football program should have been completely destroyed for years to come.

DDZ · « **Reply #14 on:** July 23, 2012, 10:59:21 AM »

Quote from: Nuke41 on July 23, 2012, 07:35:41 AM

Punishment in cases like this has 2 components; punishment to the actual offenders and punishment that is a deterrent to others in the future. What the NCAA has inflicted has elements of both and while painful to Penn State fans is completely appropriate. What happened at Penn State is so egregious that their football program should have been completely destroyed for years to come.

I agree.

Remember it was the high and mighty football program that was being protected by their silence, while a pedofile raped young boys in their facility.
Anyone under a scholarship has the ability to transfer from State Penn. I know its what I would do. Why would anyone want to continue to play football there.

lakota · « **Reply #15 on:** July 23, 2012, 01:16:14 PM »

I think the part about taking wins away is a little ridiculous. Penn State won those games. Those games are history and a simple declaration doesnt change the fact that those games were won that is unless the NCAA sends someone back in time to change the outcomes

magooch · « **Reply #16 on:** July 23, 2012, 02:18:33 PM »

Maybe I missed something and to be honest, I didn't read, nor do I really care about the Sandusky pervert problem, but whatever the particulars of the case, I do not think that Penn State in general deserves to be slandered, or blamed for the actions, or inactions of a few.

I also do not believe that any of this is reason to rag on football and college athletics in general. People go to college to get training for a career and there have been lots of Penn State players who have done quite well playing pro football. And to say that those players were poorly served by playing football and weren't otherwise educated is pure conjecture. Are the players worse off for playing college sports? I'm betting most of them don't regret it.

I would agree that tax payers should not fund college athletics and for the most part, neither should tuition at state schools. What goes on at private institutions (colleges and Universities) should be no concern except to the students and college administration. The revenue from whatever sports are involved at state schools should pay for the coaches etc.

I think the NCAA went too far. But on the other hand, I understand that Penn State agreed with the sanctions. Maybe they had no choice.

DDZ · « **Reply #17 on:** July 23, 2012, 10:38:41 PM »

The Penn State football program got to a point where it was worshiped by many. I would bet a couple paychecks that there are many more than just a few people that knew what Sandusky was doing. One does not become a pedophile at age 50. He had been doing it many years and now a few have said that they were raped in the 70's. I would have to guess that some of the players knew what Sandusky was. How many were raped that are now to embarrassed to come forward?
I don't see how Penn State had a leg to stand on to argue the sanctions. It would look pretty bad if they tried to.

Victor3 · « **Reply #18 on:** July 23, 2012, 11:26:04 PM »

Quote from: Val on July 23, 2012, 02:40:42 AM

The current football players at Penn State did nothing wrong. It is very wrong to punish them. Punish the perpetrators and those involved with the cover-up with prison time.

Yup.

If a car company designs an unsafe vehicle, the workers who assembled it don't have their benefits taken away via some pronouncement by the Department of Transportation.

I hope the players are successfull in a class action lawsuit against the NCAA.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #19 on:** July 23, 2012, 11:53:38 PM »

Quote from: mcbammer on July 23, 2012, 04:28:07 AM

Quote from: Val on July 23, 2012, 02:40:42 AM
The current football players at Penn State did nothing wrong. It is very wrong to punish them. Punish the perpetrators and those involved with the cover-up with prison time.
I agree , punishing the innocent along with the guilty is wrong.

The guilty are getting punished ! maybe players in the future will look different at offers from schools . Maybe they will look at what is going on ( rumors alway exist) instead of HOW MUCH DO I GET .

Like we have all been told you get judged by the company you keep. Those players can also move to other programs as can the coaches. The program should have gotten the death penalty !

DDZ · « **Reply #20 on:** July 24, 2012, 10:42:17 AM »

I agree Shootall! I thought also they deserved the death penalty. Don't really see how the players are being punished, other than them not being able to go to a bowl game. If any of them think a bowl game is that important, they are able to transfer to another school if they want. Penn State has many good players who would be accepted at many of the top football schools with open arms.

Just an indication of how Penn Staters think. I know a couple people that both got degrees at Penn State. One of them was a republican state legislator for many years, who married one of my relatives. I saw them not long ago and the conversation led to Sandusky, with me asking them how they felt about it. They both said, Oh, none of that is true. He got a terrible lawyer, and should have gotten someone else to defend him. I was stunned by their reaction. They were trying to tell me Sandusky was innocent. I didn't say much more to them, and just walked away. This is the way your typical Penn State people think. They have been worshiping Penn State for so many years, they are now blind. I was at a Penn State game once, and honestly thought the die hard Penn State fans were rude, arrogant, and thought they were better than everyone else.
The football program at Penn State was not your typical college football program. the people involved with the program, and other students worshiped Penn State and Joe Pa, to the point that they let a man rape young boys for 15 years while some of the rapes happened in their locker room.
I don't give a crap if some of the football players are slightly punished by this. The program needed taken apart, and bought back down to earth. I just wonder how some of you that think that the players are being punished by the sanctions would feel if it was someone close to you that got raped by Sandusky. I agree 100%, that Penn State deserved the death penalty, with Sandusky included.