Author Topic: Hearing very loud screams again... (Read 11250 times)

alan in ga · « **Reply #150 on:** August 03, 2012, 11:28:33 AM »

Screech owl. One outside our bedroom window made me sit upright from a dead sleep one night! Sounds JUST like a woman SCREEMING!....except a low 'hoo-hoo' at the end of the scream.

Swampman · « **Reply #151 on:** August 03, 2012, 01:05:13 PM »

Quote from: Scibaer on August 03, 2012, 11:23:20 AM

Extra dimensional beings will not trigger a trailcam. That's all there is to it.

says who ? where your proofs ? care to actually explain why and how you know this ?
why do all ghost/paranormal investigators use cameras with triggers then ?

They don't....I know because I've tried them myself. Even if they did, the camera would have to be exactly in the right spot and at exactly the right time. Not gonna happen.

trotterlg · « **Reply #152 on:** August 03, 2012, 02:01:51 PM »

I think it is very clear that trail cameras are either not trigger by or cannot see a Big Foot for some reason. We have lots of people who have seen them and lots of pictures of them taken by real people but no pictures taken by a trail camera. Thousand of people have seen them and none out of thousands of trail cameras have. I would say that is fairly good evidence. The lack of trail camera pictures is as convincing as the pictures that real people have taken. Larry

kynardsj · « **Reply #153 on:** August 03, 2012, 02:57:06 PM »

No way am I gonna get into this bigfoot is, bigfoot ain't discussion but I do know that a camera can take pictures of things the eye cannot see. We joke about it here but we have had a playful ghost at this old house we remodeled. A man named Jake used to live here and died so we call the ghost Jake. He moves things when your back is turned, has scared the heck out of my dog, has pecked on the computer keyboard in the night, nothing bad just playful. There was a nice padded bar and bar stools here when we bought the place. Word has it Jake loved to party. I put the bar up for sale and when I took a picture of it there was an orb up next to it. My friends dad passed away some years back. At the time my friend owned a sporting goods store. A short time after his dad passed things started happening at the store. Things would fall off a shelf. Rods would fall off the rack. It got so common that my friend got his camera and kept it close one night after the store had closed. Sure enough a rod jumped off the rack and my friend snapped a picture. In the picture there was a form that looked manlike by the rod rack. Shortly after then things calmed down. Do I believe in Bigfoot, naaa, but ghosts, absolutely.

Victor3 · « **Reply #154 on:** August 03, 2012, 07:35:27 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on August 03, 2012, 01:05:13 PM

Quote from: Scibaer on August 03, 2012, 11:23:20 AM
Extra dimensional beings will not trigger a trailcam. That's all there is to it.

says who ? where your proofs ? care to actually explain why and how you know this ?
why do all ghost/paranormal investigators use cameras with triggers then ?

They don't....I know because I've tried them myself. Even if they did, the camera would have to be exactly in the right spot and at exactly the right time. Not gonna happen.

"Tried" what, exactly? Did you hire a bigfoot to stand in front of your trail cam to test your theory?

A lack of evidence is just that. It proves nothing.

Victor3 · « **Reply #155 on:** August 03, 2012, 07:55:03 PM »

Quote from: 1911crazy on August 03, 2012, 10:16:24 AM

I think the main problem is from the kids with there weegee boards they open a door and never close it.

Is there a tech support line available for weegee (Ouija) boards? Maybe they didn't log off or shut down properly. Do they have a safe mode?

Swampman · « **Reply #156 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:51:00 PM »

Quote from: kynardsj on August 03, 2012, 02:57:06 PM

No way am I gonna get into this bigfoot is, bigfoot ain't discussion but I do know that a camera can take pictures of things the eye cannot see. We joke about it here but we have had a playful ghost at this old house we remodeled. A man named Jake used to live here and died so we call the ghost Jake. He moves things when your back is turned, has scared the heck out of my dog, has pecked on the computer keyboard in the night, nothing bad just playful. There was a nice padded bar and bar stools here when we bought the place. Word has it Jake loved to party. I put the bar up for sale and when I took a picture of it there was an orb up next to it. My friends dad passed away some years back. At the time my friend owned a sporting goods store. A short time after his dad passed things started happening at the store. Things would fall off a shelf. Rods would fall off the rack. It got so common that my friend got his camera and kept it close one night after the store had closed. Sure enough a rod jumped off the rack and my friend snapped a picture. In the picture there was a form that looked manlike by the rod rack. Shortly after then things calmed down. Do I believe in Bigfoot, naaa, but ghosts, absolutely.

A camera will take picture of both. A trailcam won't because of the way it's triggered. For all intents Bigfoot is quite similar to some "ghost." Of course there are several types of ghost.

Scibaer · « **Reply #157 on:** August 04, 2012, 08:22:33 AM »

so, all these pics that some people claim to have of BF from thier trial cam are fakes ?

josiah712 · « **Reply #158 on:** August 04, 2012, 10:00:25 AM »

No one in considering the possibility that BF can consciously avoid triggering trail cams.

If BF is just an undiscovered great ape, then he is less intelligent than man, and we should be able to catch them on trail cam. But if they are demonic, then they are fallen angels; and therefore more intelligent than us, and have abilities beyond our knowledge of science. They could possibly see or identify the cameras by some means, and simply avoid triggering them.

Scibaer · « **Reply #159 on:** August 04, 2012, 10:20:37 AM »

Ok, but yet they are seen running along highways and crossing roads, make stick tents along river beds, and found sleeping in hay lofts in the midwest, attraced to shiny objects left in the woods.. but... but somehow they are wise and crafty and can dodge the trailcams that us dumb human set out ? .. nope

Swampman · « **Reply #160 on:** August 04, 2012, 12:24:46 PM »

They are seen where there are windows for them to be seen. Not likely to happen in front of a trailcam, but if it did it wouldn't trigger the camera.

Scibaer · « **Reply #161 on:** August 04, 2012, 12:28:01 PM »

so, all the trail cam pics of BF that people have are fakes then ?

josiah712 · « **Reply #162 on:** August 04, 2012, 12:44:18 PM »

Yes, acting exactly like an animal would be considered crafty, if that is what you wanted to portray. I don't know their limitations or their incentives, and I don't know of anyone who does.

You cannot apply the true scientific method without adequate control over the environment or the test subject. This will continue to be a matter of speculation, but logic can still used.

Swampman · « **Reply #163 on:** August 04, 2012, 01:30:54 PM »

Quote from: Scibaer on August 04, 2012, 12:28:01 PM

so, all the trail cam pics of BF that people have are fakes then ?

You have to ask that question?

Scibaer · « **Reply #164 on:** August 04, 2012, 01:56:30 PM »

yes, i am asking you if all trail cam pics are fakes then ?
and you never answer a question directly, never have produced the pictures you claim to have nor the proof of data either.
i guess that really says all that needs to be said.

so its logical to assume that BF is a demon who pretends to act like an animal to be crafty and trick us ? thats logic ??
and yes you can infact apply the scientific method to this issue, without control of the enviroment or BF.
it starts with testable questions and careful review of collected data.

Swampman · « **Reply #165 on:** August 04, 2012, 02:09:02 PM »

In this case the facts aren't logical. You keep saying there are no trailcam pics, and now you're saying there are. Which is it? Nobody has said anything about a demon. I don't think bigfoot acts like an animal.

Scibaer · « **Reply #166 on:** August 04, 2012, 02:16:09 PM »

i said, that there are people who claim to have trail cam pics. i didnt say i believed them.
i said "they"claim to have BF pics from trail cams and i asked if they are all fakes in your opinion
why dont you just answer my question and stop dodging it ?

and it was josiah712 that said BF suggested that BF was a demon or fallen angel, what ever that is

so again, are the all supposed BF trail cam pics fake ?

Swampman · « **Reply #167 on:** August 04, 2012, 02:32:21 PM »

They are real pics of various animals. I've never seen one that looked anything like Bigfoot myself.

josiah712 · « **Reply #168 on:** August 04, 2012, 02:35:41 PM »

Scib,

you are bending the scientific method for your purposes. The foundation for the true scientific method, that true scientist like Newton used is observation and repeatability; and you have to be able to rule out unknowns.

I do not know that BF for a fact is demonic, but there are some very strong indicators that they are.

You are not using logic at all here, and I have read all of your post on this tread. you stated very early here, to the effect that there is no BF for a fact. You cannot prove a negative; you are doing the same thing that atheist do, when they say that they don't believe any of the proof of God is valid, and therefore that in itself, is proof that God doesn't exist. Total BS, not logic, and definitely not science.

After stating as though factual, you went on to explain how you know this due to your advanced understanding in psychological theory.

Scibaer · « **Reply #169 on:** August 05, 2012, 08:28:37 AM »

yes, i am bending the scientific method. your right. i am using it as a basis, applying it as i can to understand the BF phenomenon.
i never hid that, or said otherwise, i said its all we have. and i think its better then making up silly theories.
when you start "believing" you stop thinking.
how can there be any stong indicators for BF being a demon ? what is a demon and how do you identify them ? there is the collected data on a demon for comparison ?
i am using logic, i do not think BF is a demon, or real animal. i think BF is a product of the human psyche. i think it takes a certain type of mental state to believe in BF's. its part cultural and its part psychological. i said that from the start.
im not trying to prove a negative. ive been very clear from the start.

as for my understanding of psychological theory.. i think that people who believe in BF, well not people but some of them, are dealing with psychological issues, or have some trouble in thier lives the cannot cope with.
i find it quite interesting how they claim to have pics, or other "evidence" but when called out, never can produce anything of any substance. and claim " i just know" or " i know what i saw".
i have said, i have been on this subject for , along time now, and its always the same.
when i try and suggest , that if BF were a real animal, and one should be able to build a biological profile, and from that "hunt" a BF the topic gets turned to " its supernatural and you cant kill it anyhow"
whats more logical then tying to understand BF from a standpoint that we can actually make sense from ?

Scibaer · « **Reply #170 on:** August 05, 2012, 08:33:29 AM »

I've never seen one that looked anything like Bigfoot myself.

swampy, then what does BF actually look like ?
and how do you know what is looks like ?

Swampman · « **Reply #171 on:** August 05, 2012, 08:44:28 AM »

We all know what Bigfoot looks like. I've never seen anything from a trailcam that looked anything like one.

josiah712 · « **Reply #172 on:** August 05, 2012, 02:00:31 PM »

OK, Scib,

You believe that all BF sightings are in the mind, and some of us believe that many of the BF sightings are indeed real. That's fine, just a difference of opinion. Different foundational beliefs, give a different world view, and will influence our theories and conclusions. In my foundational beliefs there is a spiritual realm that is every bit as real as our physical realm.

The primary indicator for me that BF is likely demonic is the fear element. People who get the creeps, or become terrified for no apparent reason even before they have seen or heard BF. Courageous dogs that become terrified even though no known threat has ever had that effect on them. Livestock and wildlife going berserk, or dead quiet. Gorillas can't do this, and neither can humans; why should I believe these things are something in between.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #173 on:** August 06, 2012, 07:11:50 AM »

I would venture to say if dogs or other animals show fear it would have more to do with scent than anything else. Scent to a critter is like shucking a shell in a pump shotgun to humans even on your first time hearing it you know it ain't going to be pretty .