:grin: Hey Graybeard thanks for all you and Mrs. G have done for us refugees. Since You have been so kind to us all and I feel I owe you so much I must warn you, DO NOT SHOOT THAT 30-30 WITH THE MANNLICHER STOCK!!! You stated you were not that familiar with the guns we were talking about, So you probably did not know that they included rifles and shotgun barrels on the same frame, inexpensive and extremely accurate rimfires from .22 to .22 Mag to .17 HMR and the fact that these Handirifles are light, inexpensive and easy to carry. In the hands of a rifleman they are extremely accurate, under 1.0 MOA. So I repeat, DO NOT FIRE THAT 30-30!! If you do you may find yourself in the same position as we sad but happy refugees, addicted to the ease and simplicity of these fine, simple, inexpensive, accurate rifles. (P.S. if you do welcome aboard, glad to have you!!)....<><.... :lol: