New to paper patching... questions...

[IronKnees]

Hi all, Although I have known Graybeard for years, I am new to his forums... I am in the process of working up a .45-70 cast load (Marlin 1895SS) for a boar hunt this spring in Tennessee... I have just read with great interest some of what Paul Mathews has to say about paper patching the great .45-70. Specifically, the process of patching, then runing the already patched bullet through the sizing die again, and more or less "ironing" the lubricated patch to the bullet, and in the process bringing the total diamater back to .458"... My question is, I can not locate any 9 pound onion skin paper, but do have a ready supply of 24 pound parchment with a farily high cotton content. I tried some heavy duplicator paper just to experiment, running it through my Lee cast bullet sizing die, and it seemd to work just fine with the heavier paper... Just wondering if anyone had any thoughts on this, and if I should go ahead and try it... Below is a picture of my last boar adventure which was this past June, this one using a .30-06 handload with a Sierra round nose bullet... Story will be on my website in my Jan./Feb edition of my online magazine...

[JBMauser]

From what I have learned.  The makeup of the paper is important but the thickness is the determining factor.  Your parchment with 2 wraps will equal about 3 1/2 times it thickness.  Your bullet should be dimensioned that much less and still just ride the lands of your rifling.  You can add a lot of paper and size it with the lee sizer and you will deform the bullet to fit.  Having done that it may now be to small to ride the lands.  

To do this according to Matthews, you slug the barrel to see what the largest bullet you can run is and the slug will tell you what room you have left for paper.  Some people use old tractor feed computer paper and air mail paper even freezer tape.

 I think if you need to think thinner.  Take what you have and unwrap it.  If it grops through the bore freely, it is now to small.  Best of luck, JB

[Lead pot]

HI DQ>I find my rag paper in the office supply stores,I use 700CPS 9lb duo manifold coppy paper@ $6.99 per 1000 on sale,made by southworth it's a cotton paper.Or you can use the old roll your ohn cigarette paper.
I swage my bullet and two turnes of paper,I like to cut the paper about 1/16"short cut on a 45,wet the paper and when you roll it on stredge it till the cut end meet,some like to lap them a little set them till they dry I like to coat them with crisco,It helps to hold the paper but you dont need it,when the paper dryes it shrinks it tight to the bullet and it kind of glues it self.
I dont think they will work to good in your Marlin If you have the microgroove rifling it tears the paper and during feeding it will tear.I tried it with the old 86 Win I had with poor results.You really need a tapered rifling barrel to get the best results.I tied swaging the bullet again after the wrap if you get one out with out tearing the paper the paper has a tendency not to release once it leaves the bore and you will get flyers,I found paper still on the bullet I recovered.
Tefflon tape works but as good as paper.try it DQ it might work for you.
Look in my post below at the RCECO link,Richard Corbin has good artical in it. Good luck DQ,and make a lot of smoke,the white powder shooters will sit there and cough and grin just grin back at em.Lp. :grin:

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[Cottonwood]

  Greetings Dave and Lead Pot.

A friend of mine in Alaska sent me 30 bullets cast from an RCBS of .452 dia with hollow base, these are 535-gr.  20 were wrapped by him and 10 left to wrap and practice with for me    :shock:

I will say this is something that takes some getting used to.

I didn't resize my cases and punched out the old primers with a decapping rod and then re-primed.  I even belled the mouth of the case so I wouldn't tear the paper.  After using some SPG on the paper patched bullets as recomended to do.  I found that the cases were belled to much but this didn't matter for the 8 I loaded with FFFg Goex as the bullet would then seat on the compressed BP.  I then ran the cartridge up to do a sato crimp.... dang those bullets kept commin out  :shock:   Well after some doing I got a tappered crimp to just snug the bullet.

I then loaded the rest of the 12 bullets using XMP 5744 load of 28.0 gr.  Got a snug fit and went to the meadow yesterday where I have to metal targets set up.  We paint them blue so we can see the hits.

Of those I could chamber they shot great as I was told they would.... but as you noticed I said of those that would chamber  :x   I had several that just will not chamber due to the case being to flared still or just over sized by not being resized or what but it is back to fixing them up so they will chamber better.  

I did have a bunch of my other loads 405-gr FPRN and 500-gr (Elk Busters) to shoot that were of normal cast with lube grooves.  These shot as expected as well  :-)