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Re: BOB
« Reply #30 on: August 20, 2012, 06:59:39 AM »
Or a pre computer vehicle. Not hard to turn a vehicle into a faraday cage of sorts, since it has a metal shell.
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« Reply #31 on: August 20, 2012, 07:14:32 AM »
When you are more than a tank full away from home you better have a way to hunker down . I totaly agree about keeping the fuel tank full and often carry a 5-6 gal fuel can full. Winter would be the worst time as water crossing may be to much of a hazzard. Any choke point could get you killed . A faraday box would be nice for parts but in reality if you have a new vehicle with a computer it will need to be connected to another computer to be programmed and that might be near impossible. So you might go old school and rebuild an older car/truck which runs with points , cond , coil etc and store extra. But then you will be target #1 even police may take your vehicle to use for emg. use. I like to carry old school paper maps when I travel. They aren't in need of satalites or battries  ;) and are easy to see how roads relate to places as far as avoiding heavy population areas etc even in good times. As example I travel to Buda TX on occasion . I study the map a few days before I went the first time then just followed the signs from city to city that I knew I had to pass thru on the way. I know its not as fun as watching a GPS but alot easier on the nerves and eyes.
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« Reply #32 on: August 20, 2012, 07:15:43 AM »
every thing in the cage must be isolated from leaks to the outside and from the cage. That might be difficult in a vehicle
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Re: BOB
« Reply #33 on: August 21, 2012, 07:01:19 PM »
My BOB is my back pack I use when camping already loaded up.  It weights about 30 lbs minus guns and ammo for the walk/commute.  I have enough gear in it to get me by for several days if need be, with 3 days of food and 3 changes of clothes and equipment to camp the night along the way if need be.  It just needs to get me safely to my BOL where I have a large portion of my additional supplies to get me by for several months at which point I should be good to go. 
"Living off the land" is a bit of a stretch these days in most places.  In light of that, I already have planted about 20 fruit and nut trees over the last 5 years and I have several raised garden beds set up and ready to go.  There is a 10x20 shelter already on site which is earth bermed except for door way entrance that I spent 2 years building.  I have a 10x10 chicken coop with a 10 x 20 wire enclosed run, 10 Rabbit hutches and a small pole barn.  So I am not hurting at all once I get there.

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Re: BOB
« Reply #34 on: August 21, 2012, 07:03:28 PM »
Putting to much thought into it fellows. An automobile is a faraday cage of sorts with little modification. A metal box suspended above insulators. The problem is there is no quick path for electricity to get to the ground, so it travels the wires and burns up the weakest components as it arks over and shorts them out. If you provide an easier path, odds are less damage will occur. A chain (throws sparks) or 1/0 wire from frame to ground like forklifts have under them provides a ground. Not trying to say a 2012 vehicle will absolutely make it through an emp. But would say my 65 scout has a better chance than not being grounded at all. On the other hand it may not hold up to one. In that case, if still kicking, I would be afoot for 50 miles to get back home if at work, hence the BOB. It's all speculation anyhow. Maybe we will make it through without an apocalypse but that doesn't make for good reading.  :D
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Re: BOB
« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2012, 01:08:32 AM »
I have my bag for more common events like needing to change pants when i rip the ones I have on. Or get caught out of town working over thine . And I have had a chance to hunt come up unexpected . But then it is a comfort to have sec urity if bad times caught you out and about.
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« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2012, 01:40:15 PM »
I love making and having my bags available and those for my family too.  Simple fact is though if you don't practice skills needed to survive, it's most likely that nerves will be your undoing.  Without training there's a good chance that you WON'T do the right thing at the right time.  I practiced for years going out for 3 nights or more at a time with nothing but a knife or simple bag setup and practiced skills.  My magnesium firestarter skill saved me on 2 different occasions, because I'd practiced making fires with it repeatedly.  When I fell through an iced over river, I went to a nearby Evergreen thicket, stripped out of my soggy clothes, started a fire where I could sit on some open pine needles and hung my clothes on the windward side of the fire to act as a wind break and to dry.  1 hour later, I was back hunting.  The guy I was with was incredulous that I could pull out the stops so easily and do what was needed.  I told him, "Just practice".  I also practice making improvised weapons, including self bows, atl-atl, arrows and a variety of utensils, instead of purchasing said items for the same reason.  It all looks easy on videos with someone else doing it or reading about it, but practice will pull you through when it's difficult or different than you'd imagined. 
 
Practicing with a friend or companion is an even better thing to do also, than practice alone.  Often your buddy will see errors you make or can perhaps help you hone a skill which you will miss going solo.  My best friend growing-up often would put forth little contests.  I'm not a very competitive person like he was, but I usually went along with it, and usually won them, but it did make for some interesting twists in my plans.  Once on a survival training trip he said, "Let's see who can make the best bow & arrow in 1 hour and meet back here to show it to the other."  I was game and we proceeded to make them out of sight of each other using only what we had with us.  I cut down a 1.25" dia. maple sapling and used a piece of para cord from my survival kit in my cargo pocket to make a string, and it ended up having about a 50 pound draw weight.  I found some tree suckers which were pretty straight and had saved feathers from several crows we'd killed in my other cargo pocket to use for fletching.  I pulled apart some of the para cord to wrap the feathers onto the shafts and found some pine pitch to rub on the windings to keep them together better.  In that amount of time, I didn't have a lot of ideas for tips, so I just split the shafts slightly and put a blowgun dart tip from my kit into each shaft and wound more cord center around them, thus making it into kind of a small game type point.  We met up at the rendevouz point after the hour and his bow consisted of about a 2' long x 1/2" diameter branch bent over with some cotton cord for string and a draw weight of about 4 pounds.  His arrows were almost as large in diameter as his bow and would fly approximately 2 foot and had just sharpened wood points.   :o   I ended up tying a zebco fishing reel to the side of mine to act as an arrow rest that you could push the button and shoot and bring back your arrow for fishing or close bird hunting.  I ended up feeding us that night too.  ;)
 
Unfortunately for him, he was out performed due to the fact he'd never practiced such a skill before that and his choices were based upon pure ignorance of what was required.  I tell the story not to put him down or me up, but simply to show the difference practice can make in an outcome when you are stressed, be it reality stress or improvised stress for practice.   ;)
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Re: BOB
« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2012, 09:13:42 PM »
My bob tends to be seasonal. You must take a Mn. winter into consideration. I feel like I need the kit to get me 35 miles on foot. That may well take a couple bivouacs. I travel primarily rural areas. I'll be honest with you folks and say I plan on the kindness of strangers. I won't be above knocking on doors for help.
 
SHTF and a fella walking in the middle of nowhere could probably get a place on the floor to sleep and some coffee and cereal come morning. Laugh if you want but I bet I'm more right than wrong. I do have a bit of shelter, walking boots, and other odds and ends with me in the truck though. 
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