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Teachers, students in one Alabama city told to fight back if facing violent intruder  Published September 02, 2012
Associated Press
      TUSCALOOSA, Ala. –  Police have a new method for dealing with armed attackers who get inside school buildings in Tuscaloosa: They're teaching educators and students to fight back.
School systems typically tell workers and students to lock every possible door and hide if an intruder enters a classroom building. But Tuscaloosa schools have started a program with city police in which employees and students are being trained to fight back if necessary.
The Tuscaloosa News reported Sunday the training centers on running, throwing things at intruders and restraining them.

Raquel Payne-Giles, principal at Paul W. Bryant High School, said the school's faculty and staff started their training this summer. She said she was surprised that the training taught them to attack an intruder.

"They did a skit where a person walked in with a toy gun and what actually happens if everyone throws things at him," she said. "The person began to protect themselves, and it threw him off for a few minutes. That's time to run."
Police Lt. A.B. Green, who is overseeing the training, said hiding from intruders is sometimes not enough.

"We can train teachers and students to a certain degree. At a certain level, though, we have to train the students to use their last resource, which is to defend themselves," he said. "We want to remind them that they can also fight for themselves using whatever they can use. It's more like, if all else has been exhausted, you fight for your life."

The city school system's current lockdown procedure has city school employees locking doors and hiding from intruders who come into a school. Now, employees are being told to flee from the intruder, and if necessary, fight. Students will soon receive the same training.
"What the training really encourages is more than simply stopping and hiding," said Green. "That's really what we've been teaching nationwide is everybody stopping, locking the doors and hiding where you are. Those concepts work, but they're not an absolute."

The program is called ALICE, which stands for Alert-Lockdown-Inform-Counter-Evacuate training.
So far, only the faculty and staff at Bryant High and University Place Middle School have started the training, but an orientation class on the new procedures has been held for all administrators in the system, Green said.

Payne-Giles said it will take bravery to fight an armed intruder, and she believes it will take a lot of training to turn people's natural instincts to flee or freeze into an instinct to fight.
Running and throwing things at an intruder are the main lessons Payne-Giles said the training taught her, but she also learned what to do if an intruder gets into physical combat with her or anyone else at the school.

"If they get too close, they teach us how to restrain them," she said. "One smaller woman can't restrain a large man, but what about three or four of them? That's why the training is not about doing it by yourself. It's about attacking en masse."
An armed man entered a private school in Tuscaloosa in 1988 and took more than 110 teachers and students hostage before giving up. No one was injured.

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Re: Teachers, students in Alabama told to fight back against intruders.
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2012, 02:38:21 AM »
Fight for your life.... gee that's a new concept.   ::)
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Re: Teachers, students in Alabama told to fight back against intruders.
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2012, 03:08:28 AM »
Don't know how many teachers there are that have a CCW permit, but the best protection would be to let the teachers that do have a permit, carry in school, but their no gun zones get them what they got. A nice comfortable playground for a lunatic to come in and shoot kids. In fact they should remove all stupid political correctness and make it mandatory that all teachers practice with a firearm and carry one. They are taking the time to train them with stupid ideas like throwing pencils and books at a gunman. Why not use that time and money to train teachers with ideas that would make a difference, like how to carry, and shoot a firearm. Money would be better spent if they even bought all the teachers a firearm.   
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Re: Teachers, students in Alabama told to fight back against intruders.
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2012, 06:24:48 AM »
It would be great if teachers did have a CCW, I can just see the posts. Teacher shoots intruder and wounds 2 students. That would make some very lively debate here just like 2 NYPD cops shoot suspect and wound 9 bystanders.
 
We can state the teacher should have known better, years of training and instruction would have them follow the intruder through the classrooms etc. We can decry anyone who has been a teacher and anyone who has engaged a shooter as wannabe tough guys when someone states we shouldn't judge becuase all the facts are in or someone makes a statement about training they have recieved or have some experience.
 
Just saying it would make for great posts and discussions.

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Re: Teachers, students in Alabama told to fight back against intruders.
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2012, 08:44:35 AM »
The question has to be what would we rather have a dead teacher along with a classroom of dead students, or a dead bad guy with a couple wounded students. Obviously there are those that think hiding, and/or throwing objects at the bad guy, intent on mass murder will work better. The political correct idea that "Oh my, we can't allow a gun in school" is border line insanity.

Your right Shu, There will be many that would criticize if a teacher shot a student, but it wouldn't take away from the fact that with a bad guy dispatched quickly it probably saved many lives. Just guessing, but I think it would be a deterrent knowing that the school has a bunch of armed teachers. Its kind of the reason bad guys pick on the defenseless. They know they are.     
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Re: Teachers, students in Alabama told to fight back against intruders.
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2012, 09:26:26 AM »
DDZ,
To me it would be a detterent and to 99.9% of the population. I do not want anyone not to be able to protect themselves and I am a huge fan of being able to carry concealed. The Columbine shootings most likely would have ended much earlier if there had been an armed teacher or if the police had been allowed in earlier. Virginia Tech probably the same thing.
 
Not everyone wishes to carry a gun or use one. I certainly encourage everyone to defend themselves in the manner they feel is best.
 
Now my 4th grade teacher didn't need a gun  she would give you that look and it would take years off your life.

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Re: Teachers, students in Alabama told to fight back against intruders.
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2012, 03:01:41 AM »
 :o  Glory Be !! Someone actually has a solution that may work. Who da thunked that!
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