Rimfire ammo Accu-rzr

[slik r slik]

Has any one ever used Paco Kelly rimfire Acu~rzr tool?.. ( pacotools.com) Looks interesting...

[keith44]

I don't recognize that name, are you asking about the dial caliper with a jig that allows accurate measurments of the rim thickness?

[quickdtoo]

He makes several different tools including more than one accurizing tool, lots of discussions on them here and elsewhere.

Tim

http://pacotools.com/tool_discriptions

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=16&oq=pacotools.com&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGNI_enUS492US492&q=paco+kelly+accurizer+gbo&gs_upl=0l0l3l90693lllllllllll0&aqi=s1098

[keith44]

I have seen similar tools for muzzleloaders, and the filing jig tool he mentioned, but I was not aware of these products.

[mattmillerrx]

I have the Waltz die.  It goes in a standard reloading press.  I went for it over the Paco tool because I figured I could be more consistent with the press than I could a hammer.


I have been in the process of testing many different brands of ammo in several .22's for accuracy.  At this point, I can say that there is a  huge increase in the accuracy of some ammo and huge loses in others.  Kind of like reloading, you find good loads and bad.  I have found that some guns with larger bores benefit the most.  I noticed in a Ruger single 10 a large increase in accuracy with most ammos.


I think you will find the best benefit with these tools is the custom hollow points you can make.  These work great on game.

[keith44]

hammering on live rounds?? live rimfire rounds??    no thank you

[mattmillerrx]

Those where my thoughts too...the Paco tool uses a hammer.  Although, since I bought mine I have heard of folks using an arbor press with the Paco tool.


I was pretty hesitant to even run them through the reloading press and kept reading about them for a couple of years and eventually read how they were designed.  That eased my fears some...I still went with the reloading press design.


Is it completely safe?  No, I view it as no more or less safe than reloading centerfire.  You have to pay attention to what you are doing.  In the case of the Waltz die and my guess is the same for the Paco tool, you have to keep it clean.  Mostly you have to clean the lube out of the die from time to time for consistent results, but from a safety stand point you have to to make sure the case holder is clear of any debris that might deform the rim and set the case off.


With that said the force required to modify the bullet is very light and likely not enough to deform the rim of the case anyway. 


Do some reading on these tools.  There is a third I believe is called D-rock.  I discovered after some reading that they are pretty safe and after getting one have had great fun experimenting with it.

[Bugflipper]

A fellow over on rimfire central makes and sells a reloading press hollow point thingy. I just made my own several years back. A starter bolt is threaded where the die goes, for the depth. I drilled a hole the size of a nail in a little block of aluminum. Then the size of a 22 lr from the bottom. Then the size of the rim from the bottom. A cork is put in the shell holder slot. The bolt pushes the nail down to a preset depth. Expands the hp out.
I only use sub sonics for hunting. You hear a distinctive whack when it hits a critter. Squirrels usually get flung off the limp a couple of feet then fall instead of just falling over. There's no hanging on a limb or flopping on the ground. With chest shots they just get put out right away. Rabbits don't dig or flop. They either pile up like they were or get rolled to their side. Evidently the bigger hp transfers a lot more energy.

[gcrank1]

The fit to throat of the chamber is where the advantage lies from increasing bullet dia., exclusive of the HP or FP which the 'spud' will put in/on it. Field .22LR chambers are often quite 'generous' and by increasing the dia. you get much the same result as using the right dia. cast bullets in a CF.
I use an old Paco Kelly re-sizer with the FP effect and it can make an otherwise indifferent grouping gun a stellar performer with 'hardware store' ammo. The FP effect seems to impart more shocking value on small game than the typical round nose (no surprise there, its the same with CF's). If you have a 'close chambered' or 'match chambered' gun you wont likely notice better groups, but of late the factory ammo has been running inconsistent larger dia. anyway and I find I can re-size and get a consistent and easier fit in loading.
I recommend the device.
BTW, the 'hammer blow' required is quite lite, but to be consistent I slip a piece of 'pipe nipple' over my die body and drop a slug of steel round stock (I experimented a bit with weight and drop). The die body/case bottom sit on a smooth, clean hardwood block. Safety glasses are encouraged and just do not be directly over the top of the unit; all common sense things. I have never had any problem, just sayin'......

[Rustyinfla]

   You can find out more about Paco's tool on levergunscommunity.com or gunblast.com

[Bugflipper]

Some folks that post about smacking the nose with a little hammer say they put it on a mouse pad. It doesn't take much pressure to expand the nose. I don't figure I'd want to try it on a cement block though.   
I don't know if they make those little hanned tools anymore? They didn't increase accuracy. You just filed the tip off flat like a small game point. I made a little guide like that as well. Whatever I was shooting at the time didn't like the lighter bullets so it probably ended up in a box somewhere. But the bullets impacted pretty good on critters when I could hit them.