Author Topic: War vet told to take his flag down, might offend somebody. (Read 976 times)

powderman · « **on:** September 21, 2012, 07:57:54 AM »

Iraq War Veteran Told Not To Hang US Flag (Video) 9/20/12
iraq vet american flag

Apparently a neighbor is allowed to keep their trash out but an Iraq war veteran from California is not allowed to hang the US flag from their aparment balcony. They are told that it might offend those who do not believe in it.

From Fox News Insider:

An Iraq war veteran was asked by the property manager to take down the American flag that he hung from his California apartment balcony for 9/11.
Amy Grossman, the veteran’s wife, said, “She wanted it to be removed so that it didn’t offend anybody who didn’t believe in the American flag.”
The flag now sits on the porch on a pole instead of hanging from the balcony.

Read more at http://www.reagancoalition.com/articles/2012/20120920007-iraq-flag.html#wHcFQeXf4PT7iPBr.99

m-g Willy · « **Reply #1 on:** September 21, 2012, 09:07:55 AM »

Quote from: powderman on September 21, 2012, 07:57:54 AM

Iraq War Veteran Told Not To Hang US Flag (Video) 9/20/12

, “She wanted it to be removed so that it didn’t offend anybody who didn’t believe in the American flag.”
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Flying the USA AMERICAN flag in America may upset someone!!!
Maybe those that are upset about it should get their ass the hell out of this country that upsets them so much.

briarpatch · « **Reply #2 on:** September 21, 2012, 10:15:56 AM »

If he is renting or in an HOA he will have to comply. His signature, to be good, means something.

DANNY-L · « **Reply #3 on:** September 21, 2012, 01:16:19 PM »

I would have let it come to the court to decide where the flag can be displayed here in the u.s.

teamnelson · « **Reply #4 on:** September 21, 2012, 01:26:07 PM »

If someone were offended by it and I had to take it down because I signed a HOA,
I'd use Flags as curtains in all of my windows.

clum sum · « **Reply #5 on:** September 21, 2012, 01:53:54 PM »

T.N. acording to the U S Flage code, which isn't law it is disrespecful to use the US flag as curtins. I would rather see someone burn the flag, than as many do leave it up untill it is a rag. The people that burn the flag at lest show some feelings for the flag,good or bad. People who leave it up until it falls apart show great disregard.

cwlongshot · « **Reply #6 on:** September 21, 2012, 02:33:18 PM »

I gotta say and I realize I am preaching to the choir here,

It "offends" me that any US citizen would ask another US citizen, on US soil to take down a properly displayed and cared for flag.

I'm willing to bet quite a bit, it offends 99% of those who will read this too...

Just saying, we have remained quiet about long enough... It's just a pathetic situation that this guy laid his life on the line, as hundreds of thousands of other men and women have done before him. Just so someone COULD have the ability, to be "offended" at all. I'm sick and tired of "these people" tearing down little bits and pieces of this great nation... No god in school... No pledge of allegiance in schools, No god on our money, No 10 commandments in lower courts, no flags at town meetings, we have a freaking president who will not pledge allegiance to the flag.
WAKE UP PEOPLE, LOOK WHATS HAPPENING.... This is not some "other place". Its right here in the USA. It's all, just wrong on SO MANY levels...

CW

blind ear · « **Reply #7 on:** September 21, 2012, 05:22:26 PM »

First post that instantly poed me in a real long time. I'd be da^^^^D. Go to jail or shut up time. ear

Shu · « **Reply #8 on:** September 22, 2012, 03:07:15 AM »

It might seem disrespectful to use the US flag as a window curtain so posted by TeamNelson. I happen to agree with him though. It is America and being told you can't fly an American flag is ridiculous. I have the flag flying at home everyday. When it starts to show wear I pull it down and put up a new one. I have a flag flying over the office at work. The flag goes up at day light and the last person leaving takes it down. I pay for these flags out of my own pocket and will not take them down. If you don't like them too bad. It is my country, I have seved in the military, my brothers and sisters have served, and I have new brothers and sisters serving everyday. Until the last one comes home safe and sound those flags will continue to fly.

To all my brothers and sisters who have served and are serving, thank you from a grateful citizen.

To all who are not afraid to fly our flag, thank you for the show of support our service people deserve.

To all those who do not wish to fly the flag it is your choice gauranteed by our brothers and sisters in uniform.

To all those who find the flag offensive, be thankful you live in this great nation were you can actually voice your opinion.

muznut 54 · « **Reply #9 on:** September 22, 2012, 03:23:54 AM »

That's a home owners association for you, I lived with one in Florida and I think it would have better to live under Nazi rule.

That's why I live in the deep woods of Maine now.

powderman · « **Reply #10 on:** September 22, 2012, 03:27:12 AM »

Those who don't like America or our flag, GET OUT, go back to the cesspool you came from. POWDERMAN.

mechanic · « **Reply #11 on:** September 22, 2012, 03:31:54 AM »

CW,.....well said!

+1

Ben

briarpatch · « **Reply #12 on:** September 22, 2012, 09:56:49 AM »

I dont live under an HOA. Cant see myself ever living under an HOA. (HOPE) People that want to be ruled live under HOA's But when you decide to live under one, YOU, no one else, YOU, signed away your right to fly a flag. In most cases even the Great Flag of America.
That is why we get leaders as dumb as we do. Because everyone runs around with their heads up the brown hole and dont listen or read. They just DO and cry later.
I thank the man for serving his country, no doubt a good man but if he signed that he would not fly a flag he needs to pony up and ride.

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #13 on:** September 22, 2012, 01:29:56 PM »

I looked over the article and video and didn't see any mention of a HOA. I'm pretty sure it would have been brought up if that was the case...not positive, but pretty sure.

Irrespective, if you don't like my countries flag, I invite you to get the hell out of my country and go someplace where you do like the flag.

briarpatch · « **Reply #14 on:** September 22, 2012, 03:56:48 PM »

May not be an HOA, maybe a rental, dont know that either but what ever it is the owner must have some say in what is done with it. If the man signed an agreement not to fly a flag he is bound by that. If he did not sign anything and he wants to fight it then by all means let him hang his flag and then they will call you and you can go and stomp him into submission and drag his butt to jail. While you have him in the back of the car look in your mirror and tell him the owner needs to get his butt out of America and by the way, you going to jail, boy.

Spirithawk · « **Reply #15 on:** September 22, 2012, 04:14:14 PM »

First they'd have to show me where I signed a document saying I couldn't fly the flag. If I mistakenly had I'd move. Then me and a bunch of other vets would be standing outside the apartments waving flags in one hand and protest signs in the other day and night till they got the point!

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #16 on:** September 23, 2012, 02:30:48 AM »

Quote from: briarpatch on September 22, 2012, 03:56:48 PM

May not be an HOA, maybe a rental, dont know that either but what ever it is the owner must have some say in what is done with it. If the man signed an agreement not to fly a flag he is bound by that. If he did not sign anything and he wants to fight it then by all means let him hang his flag and then they will call you and you can go and stomp him into submission and drag his butt to jail. While you have him in the back of the car look in your mirror and tell him the owner needs to get his butt out of America and by the way, you going to jail, boy.

Gosh! I almost fergot about the cop haters here.......Gotta drag that into everything, huh?

Brett · « **Reply #17 on:** September 23, 2012, 07:30:28 AM »

Good post CW, my thoughts exactly. If someone is offended by the fag of our nation they are free to move to wherever it is where they wont be offended.

OldSchoolRanger · « **Reply #18 on:** September 23, 2012, 08:47:24 AM »

Quote from: powderman on September 21, 2012, 07:57:54 AM

Iraq War Veteran Told Not To Hang US Flag (Video) 9/20/12

Apparently a neighbor is allowed to keep their trash out but an Iraq war veteran from California is not allowed to hang the US flag from their aparment balcony. They are told that it might offend those who do not believe in it.

From Fox News Insider:

An Iraq war veteran was asked by the property manager to take down the American flag that he hung from his California apartment balcony for 9/11.
Amy Grossman, the veteran’s wife, said, “She wanted it to be removed so that it didn’t offend anybody who didn’t believe in the American flag.”
The flag now sits on the porch on a pole instead of hanging from the balcony.

Read more at http://www.reagancoalition.com/articles/2012/20120920007-iraq-flag.html#wHcFQeXf4PT7iPBr.99

If those that didn't believe in it(the flag of the U.S.), were offended, then they are very welcome to remove themselves from this great nation who took those ungrateful #$%^'s in.
Nobody ever forced you to stay here!

Spirithawk · « **Reply #19 on:** September 23, 2012, 10:12:46 AM »

How well do you think it would go over if one of us moved to another country and told them we were offended by their flag and demanded they take it down? So why should it be ok here? I'm 100% with the "Don't like it.....LEAVE!" A US flag has the right to fly on US soil! WAYYYYY more right to be here than the imigrant doing the complaining. I'll add too that if ya stay here learn friggin English! I shouldn't have to learn your language to speak with you unless I'm in your country!

briarpatch · « **Reply #20 on:** September 23, 2012, 10:13:38 AM »

Simple solutions to this. If no agreement, fly the flag. If an agreement, dont fly the flag and reverently fold Old Glory and move.
IF there is a agreement but want to push the issue, fly the flag and hope for support, which will not come because most people like to sit back and say, MAN IF I HAD BEEN THERE I WOULD HAVE KICKED THEIR A&&'S BUT I JUST COULD NOT MAKE IT, fight like a demon and let the apt. burn down around you.
A big win win

Spirithawk · « **Reply #21 on:** September 23, 2012, 10:21:24 AM »

If there's is no written clause then fly the flag whether they like it or not. Then hope they evict you, and if so, sue them, buy the apartment building from their broke butts and fly a US flag on every balcony.

teamnelson · « **Reply #22 on:** September 23, 2012, 10:30:28 AM »

Thank goodness no one has suggested we need a constitutional amendment to protect the flying of the flag. That would be as counter to the spirit of the flag as you can get. The right to fly a flag is already protected by the 1st Amendment. I am proud of the flag, I fly one 24/7 until they are unserviceable and I dispose of them properly ... I know the regulations and how to do so. For reference: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/4/chapter-1

My curtain suggestion was not so much to use a flag as a curtain as to move my public display inside my dwelling where the HOA has no say ... if the HOA was the issue. And I would be moving most riki-tik.

This is not new, nor unique to the US. Shortly after 9/11, while I was living in London, I got to talking to one of the maintenance men for our flat and he said the where he lived Brits were discouraged from flying their flag because the immigrants vandalized and defaced places that did, and filed protests in the local courts, so the Police were telling people not to fly flags. I thought to myself at the time, "That would never happen in the US." And here you go. That means the local PD will be wheeling out the smelters soon for your amnesty gun turn ins ... I hear they were doing that up in New England already. Disgusting.

jlwilliams · « **Reply #23 on:** September 23, 2012, 01:25:48 PM »

I am offended at being asked to take down the flag. Since we can and so often do sue people who offend us these days, if I were in this guy's position I'd be suing.

It was resently brought to my attention that our local school has stopped doing the pledge of allegence. Strange days.

Spirithawk · « **Reply #24 on:** September 23, 2012, 02:53:36 PM »

The flag represents the United States so if the flag offends them then what are they doing here in the first place? Tell them to go some place the flag doesn't offend them. We wont miss them one bit!

powderman · « **Reply #25 on:** September 23, 2012, 03:04:41 PM »

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This is not new, nor unique to the US. Shortly after 9/11, while I was living in London, I got to talking to one of the maintenance men for our flat and he said the where he lived Brits were discouraged from flying their flag because the immigrants vandalized and defaced places that did, and filed protests in the local courts, so the Police were telling people not to fly flags. I thought to myself at the time, "That would never happen in the US." And here you go. That means the local PD will be wheeling out the smelters soon for your amnesty gun turn ins ... I hear they were doing that up in New England already. Disgusting.

TN. Real hard to figure out which immigrants he was talking about.
SPIRITHAWK. Good posts Sir, I agree. POWDERMAN.

Spirithawk · « **Reply #26 on:** September 23, 2012, 08:05:56 PM »

finisher · « **Reply #27 on:** September 23, 2012, 08:47:27 PM »

Where I live, I see guys flying every kind of flag from Confederate to Mexican, to Aryan brotherhood and even a couple KKKs.

I personally find it offensive, but I took an oath at one time to protect the very document that guarantees the rights of all of us to proudly display our ignorance to the world.

I have never been much of a flag waver of any ones flag as it has so many different meanings to each individual these days. To some, it has become a symbol of corporate deceit and subtle global tyranny.

I still love my country and have my own ideas of what MY flag represents, but I would sure love the opportunity to at least explain it to some politically correct housing bureaucrat or even some war mongering extremist before they just judge and profile what they think I'm trying to say by waving the NATIONS flag. JEEEZWHIZZman.

I don't support the war or the politicians and corporations that continue to profit from it, and that doesn't mean that I condemn our troops either, because I've stood in their shoes.

When I wave my flag, i'm saying to the people stop letting these rich power hungry dogs lie to you and manipulate your minds. Make that flag something better than just a symbol of death and destruction, which is what it has become in the eyes of a great many.

Our flag represents (at least in my mind)something better than all that. And through no fault of our service people, because they are sworn to follow the lawful orders of the officers appointed above them and the President, it is becoming a hated symbol because of ignorance and greed to the rest of the world.

I DISSENT!!! AND I'll FLY MY FLAG DOING IT. The TV,politicians, and corporate pigs don't define what that flag stands for, the CONSTITUTION DOES! And I'll not allow them to deceive my mind into thinking that they are using our troops in any honorable way (as I said before, it is through no fault of the troops; can't even blame the many that just don't know any better).

You may not agree with that notion and you don't have to. But I feel that I DO NOT dishonor them in anyway with my views and I will stand up and say honor our troops then say BRING THEM HOME and stop wasting them. And I'll wave my flag doing it.

Those that believe in the war and actually believe that we're crusading the great cause, "yell OOOrah" and "lets go kill all the Muslims". go ahead and live in fear and WAVE IT IN SUPPORT.

Those of you who would say that it's all a sham and to bring our troops home, say " Hey! Our sons and daughters in uniform aren't your damned money making pawns". Embrace the higher ground of peace, honor them and WAVE IT IN SUPPORT.

Thats the beauty of it. It doesn't have to mean the same thing to you or me as long as we ALL understand that that flag itself is part of the foundation of free speech... USE IT!

If you think some flag waving idiot makes your flag look bad with his racial or war mongering rhetoric and attitude CALL HIM ON IT. BUT DONT YOU DARE TELL HIM HE CANT' SAY IT OR WAVE IT.

"HEY BUD, I SUPPORT YOUR RIGHT TO SPEAK YOUR MIND AND WAVE OUR FLAG. And I may not be in the majority, BUT IN MY OPINION, YOUR ATTITUDE MAKES OUR FLAG AND OUR TROOPS LOOK BAD.

The only thing you can do is disagree and debate. But isn't that what it's all about? Learning and growing from each others differing views.

It's not the flag that I find offensive at all. It represents something very dear to me. HOWEVER, I FIND THE REPRESENTATION OF OUR FLAG THROUGH DESPICABLE CONDUCT, HATRED, AND IGNORANT NARROW MINDED VIEWS quite disturbing because such things are not what I stand for when I fly that flag.

Personally, I'd go to jail!

OldSchoolRanger · « **Reply #28 on:** September 24, 2012, 05:50:03 AM »

Quote from: Spirithawk on September 23, 2012, 08:05:56 PM

My sentiments exactly. Nobody forced you to come here. Nobody especially me, is forcing you to stay here.

Case in point, why did all those actors, actresses, liberal media talking heads that said if GW Bush won the election for President, didn't move? I'm still waiting for them to keep their word!