what are you thoughts on the following senerio ?

[KIMBER45]

I would like to hear your feelings on the following scenario. A woman is unable to have an embryo implant in her uterus because of a faulty uterus. She will never be able to have the embryo implant in her uterus. Now the question - Does she have a moral obligation to prevent  having an embryo that won't implant in her uterus?

[BUGEYE]

my wife is this way.  so we just ignored it and adopted a beautiful latino baby girl, and are living happily ever after.

[magooch]

If you're saying that the lady could find a volunteer to have an embryo implant and is that ethical--where's the problem?  I think it would be best all the way around if the lady in question is married to a man and is young enough to raise the child.

[quasne.inc]

  Now if I am understanding the question correctly, it sounds to me like the question is, should the woman have sex or not because if she did and an embryo was fertilized but is not able to attach to the uterine wall, is that like a form of abortion?  My personal feeling is that if a woman is not able to become pregnant for whatever the reason, then she should  not have to miss out on an experience that two married people use to show each other their love for one another and that helps to strengthen their bond to one another.  If I misunderstand the question please let me know.  I dont want to be spoutting stuff out that is not pertinent to the conversation. 

[Dee]

I think some here are missing the "definition of embryo". An "embryo" is "an already fertilized egg", that is a "newly created life" in it's first early stages of development. This is what happens when doctors and scientists start trying to "duplicate God", and it brings up a very interesting question for my preacher this morning.
But! To answer your question. Why would she want to have an "embryo implant" with the knowledge that it will not work? The act itself would make no sense. As to the moral aspect, I suspect the moral judgement was long since violated by the lab techs. As to the woman herself, I would say that should she go ahead anyway, there are unrealistic and delusional issues already present with her herself. BUGEYE seems to have come up with the most practical, and honorable solution. There babies everywhere in need of a volunteer parent. JMO

[Doublebass73]

my wife is this way.  so we just ignored it and adopted a beautiful latino baby girl, and are living happily ever after.

That's how it should be done. My girlfriend has the same problem and came up with the same solution, she adopted two girls and a boy. Two of her kids also happen to be latino and one is native American. We are both divorced and live two hours apart but when the time is right we want to combine families (I have three of my own that I have custody of).

[yellowtail3]

We are both divorced and live two hours apart but when the time is right we want to combine families (I have three of my own that I have custody of).

Doublebass73, now you've gone and put theme music to The Brady Bunch in my head...

[KIMBER45]

The point I was trying to make is as some have stated. An embryo is a fertilized egg and would develop into a human if all went well. Is conceiving a baby knowing it will not develop any different than someone using the morning after pill or an IUD.to prevent implantation of the egg ? That is the question

[KIMBER45]

  Now if I am understanding the question correctly, it sounds to me like the question is, should the woman have sex or not because if she did and an embryo was fertilized but is not able to attach to the uterine wall, is that like a form of abortion?  My personal feeling is that if a woman is not able to become pregnant for whatever the reason, then she should  not have to miss out on an experience that two married people use to show each other their love for one another and that helps to strengthen their bond to one another.  If I misunderstand the question please let me know.  I dont want to be spoutting stuff out that is not pertinent to the conversation.

I'm not saying she shouldn't have sex. BUT should she be using some form of birth control to prevent fertilization of the egg.

[Doublebass73]

Doublebass73, now you've gone and put theme music to The Brady Bunch in my head...

I know, it's been sung to us more than once

I'll have to try to find a '69 Satellite station wagon so we can all go to the Grand Canyon

[Dee]

Boy I miss those station wagons.

[Brett]

The point I was trying to make is as some have stated. An embryo is a fertilized egg and would develop into a human if all went well. Is conceiving a baby knowing it will not develop any different than someone using the morning after pill or an IUD.to prevent implantation of the egg ? That is the question

Your essentially talking about a misscarriage.  To my way of thinking the answer is no they are not the same thing.   One is an act of God the other is an intentional act by the mother.   Besides, I have heard of many instances where a woman was told by doctors that she would never have children and the Good Lord had other ideas. 

[quasne.inc]

That was my bad on wording.  I realized that is prob what you meant was whether or not she should use birth control or not.  But I had headed off to work already.  I would have to agree with Brett.  I believe in miracles and if it were me and my wife and we wanted a baby, we would just keep trying.  A woman can't control if her body will reject an embryo, but she can decide to have it removed by doctors.  The latter is where the moral issue starts with me. 

[KIMBER45]

The point I was trying to make is as some have stated. An embryo is a fertilized egg and would develop into a human if all went well. Is conceiving a baby knowing it will not develop any different than someone using the morning after pill or an IUD.to prevent implantation of the egg ? That is the question

Your essentially talking about a misscarriage.  To my way of thinking the answer is no they are not the same thing.   One is an act of God the other is an intentional act by the mother.   Besides, I have heard of many instances where a woman was told by doctors that she would never have children and the Good Lord had other ideas.

GOOD POINT

[blind ear]

The point I was trying to make is as some have stated. An embryo is a fertilized egg and would develop into a human if all went well. Is conceiving a baby knowing it will not develop any different than someone using the morning after pill or an IUD.to prevent implantation of the egg ? That is the question

Your essentially talking about a misscarriage.  To my way of thinking the answer is no they are not the same thing.   One is an act of God the other is an intentional act by the mother.   Besides, I have heard of many instances where a woman was told by doctors that she would never have children and the Good Lord had other ideas.

GOOD POINT

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Let nature take it's course, miracles happen every day. ear

[SHOOTALL]

blind ear has a good point !
I would add that there are most likely many with the same condition living on earth today how does knowing change how one should deal with it ? It's like allowing abortion when rape is involved it's still murder of an innocent  unborn child.

[Conan The Librarian]

Seems like a complicated medical problem to me. What are the options? And what does morality have to do with it?

[SHOOTALL]

Well what dosen't it have to do with it ? Does the fact she knows creates a need to alter her actions when many more who don't know don't alter theirs ? My point about rape was wheather rape or not the child being killed is still innocent but some feel it makes all the difference in the world in the decision to justify the taking of the childs life.
In reality if you are a believer in God and his word every decision you make is a moral one .

[Conan The Librarian]

That's right, and with that guidance, I've found that the only time morality comes into the picture is when people are contemplating doing something wrong and trying to find a justification for doing it anyway.
 
When it comes to medical procedures, health and well being are the drivers. She deserves a good healthy life, not a bunch of moral dilemmas.

[SHOOTALL]

That's right, and with that guidance, I've found that the only time morality comes into the picture is when people are contemplating doing something wrong and trying to find a justification for doing it anyway.I on the other hand see it as getting guidence when doing the right thing .
 
When it comes to medical procedures, health and well being are the drivers. She deserves a good healthy life, not a bunch of moral dilemmas. And in the case stated how would the use of birth control matter ? But more important praying in times where medical concerns exist often lead to not only the correct choices being made but sometimes a mirical .
Why would one not include God in the most important decisions they are forced to make ?

[Conan The Librarian]

Because most people seem to confuse God with what religion tells them to do, and that is often wrong. Tragically wrong. Seen that often enough and am very bitter about it.

[SHOOTALL]

Because most people seem to confuse God with what religion tells them to do, and that is often wrong. Tragically wrong. Seen that often enough and am very bitter about it.

so are you mad at God or men ?

[LONGTOM]

According to the MAYO CLINIC:
Week 5:
The embryonic period begins the fifth week of pregnancy, or the third week after conception, marks the beginning of the embryonic period. This is when the baby's brain, spinal cord, heart and other organs begin to form.   
 
Now I don't claim to be an expert or even to be qualified to venture a guess so take the above how ever you wish.
It is my understanding that life needs a heartbeat to be called a life.
If the heart doesn't start to develope until around 21 days then are they really taking a life before that time.
 
To complicated for me.
 
Regardless of what we think and what the law is on abortion I say it is between the woman and GOD and no one else. 
 
 
 LONGTOM

[BUGEYE]

blind ear has a good point !
I would add that there are most likely many with the same condition living on earth today how does knowing change how one should deal with it ? It's like allowing abortion when rape is involved it's still murder of an innocent  unborn child.

I agree.  this is one place where I don't agree with Romney.  you only kill the baby in case of self defense.