Author Topic: My 4 year old handi will not fire (Read 773 times)

Redfish1 · « **on:** October 17, 2012, 03:38:10 PM »

I just went to the range to check my 444 handi, it snapped once then fired, second round
Snapped twice before firing. Is this the transfer bar problem I've read about? Our primitive weapon
Season starts in 3 days I am in a bind what can I do? I can't hunt with this one.

Ranger99 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 17, 2012, 03:46:35 PM »

bad ammo?
dirty chamber?
mung in the firing pin hole?

open it up and ease the hammer down
to the fired position while holding the
trigger. is the pin poking out like it should?

mung and trash inside the action? $:-\$

HR308shootin · « **Reply #2 on:** October 17, 2012, 04:33:36 PM »

sounds like bad ammo to me.

Redfish1 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 17, 2012, 04:44:23 PM »

I compared it to my sons identical rifle. It all looks the same, the firing pins extend out about the
Same. If the transfer bar were broken would it fire sometime and not others. The ammo shoots fine in my sons gun. It has had about a hundred rounds shot through it and does not look gummed up.

sr sawyer · « **Reply #4 on:** October 17, 2012, 06:38:49 PM »

Probably the transfer bar or the firing pin. Try a magnet on the end of the firing pin to see if it will pull-out of the pin hole. If not, firing pins can break in different places and the end may not pull out with the magnet so you will need to remove the pin to inspect it.

Also the spent primer of the fired shell should show a smooth rounded indention. If not the end of the firing pin could be btoken off and cause a fail to fire.

Ken

keith44 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 17, 2012, 09:04:45 PM »

Quote from: Redfish1 on October 17, 2012, 04:44:23 PM

I compared it to my sons identical rifle. It all looks the same, the firing pins extend out about the
Same. If the transfer bar were broken would it fire sometime and not others. The ammo shoots fine in my sons gun. It has had about a hundred rounds shot through it and does not look gummed up.

If it extends the same distance, it may be gummed with something that is slowing the velocity of the firing pin. Put your thumb over the firing pin hole and dry fire one time. Do the same with your sons rifle. If they feel the same (and you are gonna feel this) buy new ammo.

cwlongshot · « **Reply #6 on:** October 18, 2012, 12:05:53 AM »

Quote from: keith44 on October 17, 2012, 09:04:45 PM

Quote from: Redfish1 on October 17, 2012, 04:44:23 PM
I compared it to my sons identical rifle. It all looks the same, the firing pins extend out about the
Same. If the transfer bar were broken would it fire sometime and not others. The ammo shoots fine in my sons gun. It has had about a hundred rounds shot through it and does not look gummed up.

If it extends the same distance, it may be gummed with something that is slowing the velocity of the firing pin. Put your thumb over the firing pin hole and dry fire one time. Do the same with your sons rifle. If they feel the same (and you are gonna feel this) buy new ammo.

OUCH...

Keith...

It does sound like a transfer bar...
Quick question, are you pulling the trigger completely and entirely to the rear?

If you are used to a fine bolt trigger, where the trigger breaks like a glass rod with little to no movement... The handi cannot work this way.

CW

Redfish1 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 18, 2012, 01:40:11 AM »

I held the trigger down against the back of the trigger guard, and still FTF. The boys gun shots when I
Pull the trigger.

gcrank1 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 18, 2012, 04:07:05 AM »

Sorry to say it sounds like the T-bar issue (if you do a search you will find some good pics of the 'bad' one as a visual reference). Typical scenario is what you are getting and if you inspect the primer after the first non-ignition blow it will show a light impression. The hammer fall pinches the T-bar out like a watermellon seed under your thumb. I think your rifle falls into the right age for a bad rash of T-bar failures, too.
Brian at H&R may be able to help even on this short notice if you can replace the parts yourself.

keith44 · « **Reply #9 on:** October 18, 2012, 05:30:57 AM »

Quote from: cwlongshot on October 18, 2012, 12:05:53 AM

Quote from: keith44 on October 17, 2012, 09:04:45 PM
Quote from: Redfish1 on October 17, 2012, 04:44:23 PM
I compared it to my sons identical rifle. It all looks the same, the firing pins extend out about the
Same. If the transfer bar were broken would it fire sometime and not others. The ammo shoots fine in my sons gun. It has had about a hundred rounds shot through it and does not look gummed up.

If it extends the same distance, it may be gummed with something that is slowing the velocity of the firing pin. Put your thumb over the firing pin hole and dry fire one time. Do the same with your sons rifle. If they feel the same (and you are gonna feel this) buy new ammo.

OUCH... Keith...

It does sound like a transfer bar...
Quick question, are you pulling the trigger completely and entirely to the rear?

If you are used to a fine bolt trigger, where the trigger breaks like a glass rod with little to no movement... The handi cannot work this way.

CW

yeah but it's the quickest way I know to check energy of a firing pin.

OldSchoolRanger · « **Reply #10 on:** October 18, 2012, 07:05:00 AM »

My money is on it being a T bar issue. Just change it out, while your at it, check the firing pin, and clean the firing pin channel.

Let us know how you made out.

blind ear · « **Reply #11 on:** October 18, 2012, 07:20:44 AM »

Sounds like a closet indused malfunctio. ear

Sourdough · « **Reply #12 on:** October 18, 2012, 09:48:36 AM »

I'd clean it real good first, then check it. If that cures it good. If not order the new transfer bar. It sure would help if you had a priming tool and could check without going to the range. At this late date you may have to share a gun with your son, or find an alternate gun. That is why I always carry a spare when I go out.

cwlongshot · « **Reply #13 on:** October 18, 2012, 10:09:11 AM »

Quote from: keith44 on October 18, 2012, 05:30:57 AM

Quote from: cwlongshot on October 18, 2012, 12:05:53 AM
Quote from: keith44 on October 17, 2012, 09:04:45 PM
Quote from: Redfish1 on October 17, 2012, 04:44:23 PM
I compared it to my sons identical rifle. It all looks the same, the firing pins extend out about the
Same. If the transfer bar were broken would it fire sometime and not others. The ammo shoots fine in my sons gun. It has had about a hundred rounds shot through it and does not look gummed up.

If it extends the same distance, it may be gummed with something that is slowing the velocity of the firing pin. Put your thumb over the firing pin hole and dry fire one time. Do the same with your sons rifle. If they feel the same (and you are gonna feel this) buy new ammo.

OUCH... Keith...

It does sound like a transfer bar...
Quick question, are you pulling the trigger completely and entirely to the rear?

If you are used to a fine bolt trigger, where the trigger breaks like a glass rod with little to no movement... The handi cannot work this way.

CW

yeah but it's the quickest way I know to check energy of a firing pin.

Roger copy brother

CW

yukondog · « **Reply #14 on:** October 18, 2012, 11:18:40 AM »

Mine did the same thing, it was the T-bar. Easy to change out, like Sourdough said I would take it apart and give it a good cleaning and see if that works, especially on the short time frame that you have.

Redfish1 · « **Reply #15 on:** October 18, 2012, 01:39:24 PM »

I spoke with a guy at H&R toady and decried the problem, he suggested
Is end it in and they would go through it and send it back. I have a back up gun
So I can wait for a pro fix and trigger job.

gcrank1 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 18, 2012, 02:24:20 PM »

Are they sending you the pick up auth and all so it isnt out of your pocket? They will, you know, if you ask.

Redfish1 · « **Reply #17 on:** October 19, 2012, 01:37:32 AM »

I assumed he was going to give me that but I did not have the serial number available
When I was talking to him. I was at work and there is this thing about guns in the work
place you know [size=78%]And I didn't write it down so today I will call him back with the number and will request [/size]
The return authorization.

Redfish1 · « **Reply #18 on:** October 19, 2012, 01:40:42 AM »

One more thing guys, thanks for the help and I apologize
For the typos and screwed up messages this iPad of my wife's
And my fat fingers don' t work to well together. Who am I
Kidding, just a cave man tryin to do brain surgery.

gcrank1 · « **Reply #19 on:** October 19, 2012, 05:15:31 AM »

Should have seen me tryin' to download pics from my film camera..........

gendoc · « **Reply #20 on:** October 20, 2012, 10:58:53 AM »

99% of tha ones that come thru here with like trouble, are a lack of attention and luv....a gud clean'n
might jus suprize you

kinda like tha wd-40 jocky....."jus spray her down and forget it"