Author Topic: Heavy bullets in a strong 32/20 (Read 968 times)

cwlongshot · « **on:** October 19, 2012, 03:17:57 AM »

Hello guys,

Looking for some links to stories or data on heavy bullet loadings for the 32/20.

I have a bunch of it up to 125g. But what about 150 or even 174g? Both are avalible in correct diameters.

So far I have a good load with 4227 but vel is lo for what I would like. I just tried AA1680 both with the 123g 762x29 bułlet.

Any come at and help welcomed.

CW

twoshooter · « **Reply #1 on:** October 19, 2012, 06:23:32 AM »

Hey CW, CE Harris in an early 80's in American Rifleman, put forth a bunch of loads for a contender and they included a 4.5 gr of unique & 154 gr cast load @ 20K- psi and 988fps out of a 10" barrell. This was instrumental in getting the 32-20 being offered in a contender barrel. The July 1986 issue of Shooting times had both an article on the "new T/C shooting system" with some loads, as well as a great article on the rebirth of the 45/70 with lots of loads.
The 2 loads that have impressed me over the years were the 85 gr Hornady JHP & 7 gr of Blue Dot which gave 1475 fps and a .67 group @ 50 yards out of the 10" barrel, and 10 gr of 2400 and a 115RNGC lead at almost the same velocity and a .87 group. That load was at 37K psi, which is 357 mag level.
Another plinking load was a 95 gr lead over 3.5gr of W231 , 1050fps @ 14K psi. If you don't locate it on line let pm me a fax # and I will send you a copy of what I have. Timothy.

cwlongshot · « **Reply #2 on:** October 19, 2012, 06:31:57 AM »

Thank you!

I have subscribed to Shooting Times constant, since early 80's. I'll check my back issue magazines.
I have a real good rite up by Rick Jamison when the bee and 32/20 CL's where first offered. I am going to scan and post in this post later this weekend.

That 154g load is a good start!! I have a couple boxes of 150 g jacketed to try. The barrel on my H&R is from a SMLE Enfield. So these heavier bullets are perfect!! Long OAL is NOT a issue for this one!

CW

cwlongshot · « **Reply #3 on:** October 20, 2012, 11:00:26 AM »

I was able to steal two hours today and use it at the range!! I grabbed my Handi 32-20 and these new AA1680/123 spitzer loads. What a beautiful day here!!!

My 4227 loading was always about 4" lower than my 100 and 115g loadings. Making me feel they where lo or at least low (ER) velocity. These 17G AA1680 loads hit same POI as the 100'115G hot loads!! They shoot 1/2-3/4"MOA (Off the led sled)

This trget is 50 yards and THREE SHOTS!!! LARRY, I FOUND A GREAT LOAD!!!

The best part for me is same POI with other loadings!! Now this is a supposed max loading @ 17g of powder, but zero signs of pressure exist... I mean the older Win 6 1/2 Primers I used are are very round and REMAIN VERY ROUND after firing!!!!! I did not bring a chrono and really need to crono these loadings. But they should be near 2K if only for the same POI as 100 & 115 G 2K loadings.

twoshooter · « **Reply #4 on:** October 20, 2012, 07:38:28 PM »

Its me again Margaret! FWIW......my data from 80 something Am Rifleman showed 110 gr Speer JHP over 17.5 gr of WW680 at 36K and 1810 fps from a 10 " contender barrel. Was not 680 the precursor to 1680 ?? That load produced a 1.7" 100yd group from the 10" contender. That group looks super!! Makes one wonder why the h??? they could not just do a factory run. The saga continues................. Timothy

cwlongshot · « **Reply #5 on:** October 21, 2012, 01:34:10 AM »

Morning,
Altho certainly not interchangeable I too have herd it said 680 became 1680. I never used 680 my self but cherished the last bit of 630 I owned!! LOL it's gone now but shot wonderfully.

This 17g AA1680 loading came from a article written in shooting times some time in the early 1990's. I can find and scan it to later on.

I was amazed when I looked thru the scope again that pic is at only 50yards. But still pretty good!

CW

twoshooter · « **Reply #6 on:** October 21, 2012, 04:05:56 AM »

AAAHHHH, YEAH. Mr Modesty. For a rifle design and cartridge that first saw light of day 125 years ago ? If you phone is more than 3 days old you need a new one. Some things just are so right that you cant really improve on them, just sit back and admire

Have another great day.

cwlongshot · « **Reply #7 on:** October 31, 2012, 09:00:51 AM »

Thank you my friend!

Here is a article from Shooting times, some time back. Some my find the info useful.

Click on the pic and it will become ledgable.

CW

Graycg · « **Reply #8 on:** November 01, 2012, 04:48:27 PM »

LOAD DETAILS GUN TYPE
.32-20 Winchester FIREARM RIFLES LEAD TYPE 5 WW, 2 LINOTYPE, 2 CALIBER TYPE 32-20WCF RATING 10 LEAD SIZE 150 POWDER TYPE 1680 POWDER AMOUNT 14.8 GRAINS PRIMER REM. 7 1/2 BRASS REM. BARREL LENGTH 24" F.P.S 1532 GROUP SIZE 1.07" OVERALL LENGTH 1.75" GUN DETAILS
T/C CONTENDER 24" RIFLE BBL.
Got this load when I got my contender, seems to work well.

regards,
Graycg

Graycg · « **Reply #9 on:** November 01, 2012, 04:51:31 PM »

Also got this from the computer archieves: Not my data, but I have used it:

I have had exellent results from the 30-20 and 32 H&R mag on big bore silhouettes using the RCBS 175gr. bore riding silhouette bullet and either WC820 or WC680. Both like rifle primers, and will work well around the 1300 fps you'll want to get to take the rams. Of the two, the 680 is more forgiving and you'll get better case life using it. You can also do this with either of the 4227s, AA1680, 2015, WW296, or H110. Charge weights for the pistol powders (296, 820, or 110) are around 9-11gr, and the rifle powders around 13-14gr, though you'll need to chrono individual loads in your gun to get it where you like it. Just start light and work up, and watch for sticky extraction. With some experimentation you'll find that's one of the best, most versatile barrels TC ever made.
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Flash · « **Reply #10 on:** November 14, 2012, 12:52:50 AM »

An interesting thread CW and a special thanks for the magazine article. I've been a fan of the 25 and 32-20 cartridges forever. I recently acquired a nice 32-20 barrel for my Contender and ill have to try some heavier bullets, now that you posted this.

I've been thinking about a 311359 but now i might go heavier. Ya got any good data for that 311359? It will be on a G2 frame so please, don't hold back.

cwlongshot · « **Reply #11 on:** November 14, 2012, 04:27:05 AM »

Hello Flash!

I have a story to tell... I got the 32-20 bloody this AM! Killed him bang flop!

Gotta get the pics dressed up and posted on photo bucket and Ill post up tonight. Gonna clean this deer up and have lunch and head back out this afternoon...

CW

Flash · « **Reply #12 on:** November 14, 2012, 06:17:29 AM »

Congratulations! Im losing my hunting spots to developers so i might not do anything but opening day here. Don't forget to share the load he fell to.

Lee's "Modern Reloading" page #364. 150 grain jacket using 4.4 grains of Unique at 890 fps.
3.0 grains of Bullseye with same bullet at 800 fps.
1.540 OAL on both

cwlongshot · « **Reply #13 on:** November 14, 2012, 11:24:18 AM »

OK, WHAT A OPENING DAY!!!!!!!

Started out 5am to my favorite flat... 7:45 a good young shooter buck. (Scrub buck is what we call them. Spikes, three point odd # of points, or one side screwed up...ETC.) He walked up to about 30 yards and turned his head to face me.

I put the 2x Leupold on his nose and squeezed the trigger.... Bang and he was flopping on the ground. Load, 17g AA1680 and a 123g Hornady bullet. The bullet exited the center of his neck with a dime sized hole. I dont do this very often, not sure why I did this time, but I knew exactly where the gun shot and was confident as all get out as the gun (As you all see) LOVES this loading!! ZERO meat loss on this one!!

So Its opening day... Its 8AM and I am done! Well, done for the morning...

I get him hung and clean myself up, put the 32/20 away and bring out the 25/35... I walk down the other side of the property, down into a swampy area and sit down. I did not have to wait long

A chunky spike was working his way down to a opening about 130 yards in front of me. He turned and offered me a quartering away shot. I set the X hairs on his heart and sent a 117 RN bullet his way. The deer mule kicks and heads back up the hill. I have a god blood trail..

I let him sit for about 20 minutes before following.

After a solid 30 minutes, he was still alive when I got to him! When I gutted him, his on side shoulder was broken, and the bullet turned and exited the ''point'' of the brisket and his heart was GONE!! How was he still living???

In one day I broke in BOTH my Trotter specails, it was a very GOOD DAY!!

I am starting dinner... anyone wanna guess what we are having?

CW

Flash · « **Reply #14 on:** November 14, 2012, 12:14:34 PM »

A good day indeed my friend. Kudos to you CW.

hillbill · « **Reply #15 on:** November 14, 2012, 01:11:55 PM »

unless CW is a midget that is a pretty big bodied deer for a spike.lots of good eating there! good shooting!

AtlLaw · « **Reply #16 on:** November 14, 2012, 03:38:27 PM »

I was thinking the same thing... $:-\$ Abso-darn-lutely amazes me how much bigger they are then the deer I hunt.

OH! And I know Brie is a good sized boy!

cwlongshot · « **Reply #17 on:** November 15, 2012, 02:55:41 PM »

LOL, I'm 6' tall and 230# Little... not since grade school... early grade school

I did not weigh either one... the pic is of the first, I estimate dressed 125#. Not big by our standards.

This is second..

CW

Richard P · « **Reply #18 on:** November 23, 2012, 05:02:06 PM »

CW if you have a barrel that is 1 in 10 twist you can go above 200gr on bullet weight. If you want much expansion you'll need to stay lighter with good speed on it. Those are nice deer. Richard

petemi · « **Reply #19 on:** November 24, 2012, 12:07:48 AM »

You had a great opener Brian

Your success makes me rethink my .32-20s as deer rifles. I might just try them before the season runs out.

I've got the 1680, the 123 gr. Spitzers and the "Trotter Special". Gonna load some up this weekend. I'll chrony them and check POI compared to the 100 gr. XTP max load over H110. I've got some of the spitzers loaded with H110, but I wasn't super impressed. I think the 1680'll do better. Lil' Gun worked out well in the Maxi, and it makes me wonder what it would do for the .32-20. Anyone got a clue? The "Trotters" wear 22 inch barrels and CW, myself, and others are looking at velocities of 2000 fps or better. The CL runs the 100 gr. XTP at 2200 with H110. It is accurate from both rifles.

Pete

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #20 on:** November 24, 2012, 01:10:06 AM »

a good 120 grain jacketed bullet or a well designed cast bullet at 2000fps will kill any deer walking. never saw a need to go any heavier.

cwlongshot · « **Reply #21 on:** November 24, 2012, 05:46:16 AM »

The accuracy of the 1680 load in my barrel is astounding to say the least. Its jumped up and becoming my top accuracy handi!

The best part Peter is that they shoot same POI at 100 as the hot loaded 100/115g HP's.

Altho the deer is dead, the bullet appears to be pretty tough... it went thru allot of bone and only had a dime sized exit. I wonder if it will upset on a lungs shot... I think Ill shoot the next one with a 100 or a 115g bullet.

CW