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Obama Administration stops drilling.
« on: October 28, 2012, 09:22:57 AM »
For the last 18 years we Alaskans have been trying to get drilling started in ANWR.  When ANWR was set aside drilling was to be allowed.  That was one of the provisions that allowed it to be designated as a Wildlife Reserve.  Then when it came time to drill the environmental groups screamed NO.  And the US Congress changed their mind and said NO as well.  All through the fight to open ANWR, everyone kept saying drill in the NPR (National Petrolium Reserve).  Well the problem at the time was NPR was so far from the end of the pipeline.
 
OK the price of oil now has gone up to where it is profitable to lay pipe to the end of the pipeline and drill in NPR.  So now the Environmental Groups start screaming again.  They convince the Interior Department to place large tracts off limits.  These large tracts block laying a pipeline and getting the oil to the end of the Alaska Oil Pipeline.  So it was drill in NPR and save ANWR.  Now don't drill in NPR.  Here is something I got off the Internet this morning.  Rog
 
. Obama Curtails Drilling in Oil-Rich Alaskan Reserve
 
The Obama administration, citing environmental concerns, has banned drilling on half of the vast National Petroleum Reserve-Alaska in a move decried even by Alaska’s congressional delegation.
 
“The price of gasoline, which was $1.84 a gallon the day President Obama took office, has more than doubled since, willfully aided and abetted by an administration that claims we can't drill our way to energy independence as we ignore vast reserves of North American energy that dwarf OPEC's and we sit on 100 years' supply of petroleum,” Investor’s Business Daily (IBD) stated in an editorial.
 
The National Petroleum Reserve-Alaska (NPRA), not to be confused with the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) to the east, is a 23.5-million-acre, Indiana-sized tract on Alaska’s North Slope. It was established by President Harding in 1923 to ensure oil supplies for the U.S. Navy.
 
The desolate NPRA has been described as the largest tract of undisturbed public land in the United States and includes a point 120 miles from the nearest village or usable road.
 
In 1976, the reserve was transferred to the Interior Department and Congress designated it as a strategic oil and natural gas stockpile to meet the “energy needs of the nation.”
 
But in August, Obama’s Interior Secretary Ken Salazar announced that new drilling would be allowed on half of the reserve while the other half will be off-limits to oil and gas exploration.
 
Environmentalists had lobbied to protect the habitat of caribou, eider ducks and other Arctic species.
 
“The move drew praise from environmentalists but sharp criticism from oil and gas proponents who said it would restrict the industry’s ability to tap the nation’s hydrocarbon resources,” the Washington Post reported.
 
The off-limits portions of the reserve are “the most productive areas” of a tract that IBD says contains 2.7 billion barrels of oil and 114 trillion cubic feet of natural gas.
 
Alaska’s congressional delegation — Sens. Mark Begich (a Democrat) and Lisa Murkowski, and Rep. Don Young — call the administration’s action “the largest wholesale land withdrawal and blocking of access to an energy resource by the federal government in decades.”
 
They also said the move “will significantly limit options for a pipeline” through the reserve to transport oil and gas.
 
Erik Milito, the American Petroleum Institute’s group director of upstream and industry operations, said the plan “continues to leave domestic energy resources, jobs and government revenue off the table.”
 
IBD concludes: “The move is typical Obama sleight of hand: Take credit for increased oil production on public lands that you had nothing to do with, lock up resources on federal lands with the exception of places the oil companies find unprofitable or unpromising, then blame them, not your administration, for driving up prices.”
 
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Re: Obama Administration stops drilling.
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2012, 02:15:25 AM »
High fuel prices are a form of population control. Keep the masses from moving about and they won't be causing any problems. What the government doesn't realize- the interweb provides more word of mouth than travelling ever could.
 
I am for drilling and reducing the dependence on foriegn oil. I am also for alternative energies.
 

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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2012, 02:24:44 AM »
only when we become a communist nation, will he drill.  we'll be like the saudis, lining the pockets of the ruling elite.
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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2012, 03:06:01 AM »
When we become communist?  Two thirds of the federal government already is and several states have been all but communistic in the way they operate for decades.  We are a handful of days from finding out whether, or not the transformation will be complete.
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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2012, 08:26:01 AM »
Do oil corps want to drill really, or just say they want to drill? Presently, there is no shortage of oil on the market.  USA is petroleum product exporting again....the supply-demand pricing is right in the sweet spot, why go and mess it up with more supply. Besides Americans have been conditioned to accept outrageous fuel prices based on wars and rumor of wars, poor refinery output, storms, and what not. Best place to store petroleum is in the ground.
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I know that you liberals will yell that it would be years before we had any benifit from drilling ANWR but duh, we've got to quit stalling.  the longer we wait, the more of our money will end up in some arabs pocket.
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Re: Obama Administration stops drilling.
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2012, 09:28:24 AM »
About the exports.
1) We export oil out of Alaska to Japan for oil they buy from the Middle East, because of the shipping distance, just a trade off, because the tankers can't get through the Panama Canal and we do not have terminals on the Left coast with pipelines to carry the oil to Texas for refining.
2) We ship some oil to Mexico an Canada to be refined into gasoline.  Why, because the EPA hasn't approved any new refineries in 20-30 years and ours can't handle our demand.
3) So we still are a net importer of oil.
 
If we build the Keystone pipeline and if we drill in Anwar, and if we drill onshore on government leased land, and if we begin drilling offshore again, within 5-10 years we would be energy independent.  Also, it would provide American jobs, good paying jobs here, and drop the unemployment rate 1-2%. 
 
Easy fix to kick start the economy and get us on the road to energy independence. 
 
Another thing we could do, put tarriffs on imported oil, but cut the gasoline/gallon tax equivelant.  It would be a trade off in taxes, but encourage drilling and production at home. 
 
We also need to build a natural gas pipeline via the Alaskan Highway to tap the natural gas in Alaska that is just waiting for a pipeline.  This would be done through Canada via the Alaskan Highway.  Canada is already building an extension on their natural gas grid to get natural gas in the Yukon and Northwest Territories.  We could install it via the Alaskan Highway and tie into theirs to ship natural gas back to the lower 48.  There is a 47 year supply of natural gas (for the lower 48) just waiting to be sold somewhere. 
 
 

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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2012, 10:42:32 AM »
For hussein this is just another way to hurt America. I don't ever remember having a potus that tried so hard to destroy us. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2012, 06:41:18 AM »
DD:  A gas pipeline through Canada is not an option.  The Canadians have already said if qa pipeline goes through Canada they get the solids out of it.  If they don't get those for their plastics industry they will shut down the line.

TM7:  The oil companies want to drill in ANWR, or NPR.  The Alaska pipeline is running low on pressure due to not enough oil being pumped into the line.  If the pressure drops below a certain point (which they are nearing now) the line will have to be shut down.  If that happens the oil will solidify in the line and the pipeline will be unusable.  Once that happens the pipeline will be removed and sold for scrap.  This is a big investment for Exxon and BP, they want to keep the line open, but they have to be allowed to drill somewhere.  Currently the environmentalist are stopping all drilling.  The environmental groups are going after all mining as well.
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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2012, 06:40:05 AM »
How much longer do we have to keep the pipeline open?  See the movie, "2016, Obama's America".  He wants to bring down the US.  He studied under communism, and he believes America was/is a colonial power trying to control the world.  He want's to punish us for exploiting the third world and the minorities to get our wealth.  That is why he hasn't submitted a realistic budget in 4 years.  That is why he stopped all drilling offshore and on government leased land.  That is why he is using the EPA to shut down coal fired power plants and coal mining.  That is why he keeps givinng unemployment checks out for 99 weeks,  That is why he has expanded the food stamp program.  That is why he has expanded welfare.  That is why he had government take-over the health care system.  That is why he has given our money to help Brazil and other South American countries drill for their oil offshore.  That is why he isn't persueing America's interests in the Middle East.  That is why he has shunned Brittan and gave the bust of Winston Churchill back England because of his anti colonialist beliefs.  That is why he wants to tax the rich.  The 1% he speaks of is not America's 1% it is America because our little 4-5% of the worlds people control 25% of the wealth.  He wants us to suffer and give our wealth to third world countries. 
 
That is why he has cut our nuclear weapons to 1,500 and want's to cut it to 300.  He wants to cut the military in half.  Say's we don't need it.  We might not, but we have been the stabilising factor in the world since WWII.  We create a power vacuum look what happens.  Look at what is happening in the Middle East.  China will rattle their sword to take over Taiwan.  N. Korea might try something.  Japan and China are chomping at the bits at each other.  India has problems with China in the north and with Pakistan.  Russia is getting rich off their natural resources and is begining to modernise their weapons.  Europe is in shambles financially.  Germany can only bail them out for so long. 
 
We are being invaded by illegals.  The middle class is dissapearing.  Lots of rich are moving to other countries (4,200 since Obama took office), to keep from paying higher taxes. 
 
And some of the people on this forum want to vote for Obama. 
 
If Obama can bring us to financial collapse, he can use socialist/communist means to take over the country and make himself a dictator through martial law and "national emergency".  He isn't ignorant, nor "over his head" as Romney said.  He is calculating.  OBAMA IS NOT THE TYPICAL AMERICAN DEMOCRAT.  Hillary Clinton would have made a better president. 
 
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Re: Obama Administration stops drilling.
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2012, 08:41:25 AM »
Yes, and because we have so much natural gas from fracking, the price is as low as it was in the 1980's, about half what it was from before fracking.  Hmmm, drilling and fracking must have worked.  My company drills and fracks.  Well, we aren't big oil, we only have about 1,500 employees.  Most work is done with private contractors and wildcatters, not big oil.  There are over 50,000 natural gas companies in America.  Doesn't sound like big corporations to me.  Most are medium sized.  Oil is similar.  There are a lot of private drillers.  Big oil just pays for the oil found, or pays these guys to drill. 
 
That being said, what are you going to do with 214 million gas and diesel vehicles?  What are you going to do with fuel oil ships?  What are you going to do with diesel trains and trucks?  We can't function in modern society without oil period.
 
Unless you can come up with an alternative way to replace oil and gasoline, you can't do without it.  Wind can't replace it except for power in the plains states.  Most people don't live in the plains states.  Solar can't do it except in the southwest.  Most people don't live in the southwest.  Natural gas vehicles is the only immediate way to change because the infrastructure for transporting the fuel IS IN PLACE.  There are no algae farms except experimental.  Electric cars have too short a range and too long a charge time to be viable presently with off the shelf technology.  Hydrogen can't do it because there is no infrastructure and it is made from natural gas (CH4), not water (H20).  Twice as much hydrogen in natural gas.  Ethynol has been shown to be not cost effective.  It is less powerful than gasoline, more corrosive, especially on older vehicles and it takes valuable farmland off food production into fuel production.  Algae/acre is about 20 times more productive, but you have to have a lot of water.  The Mississippi river valley and coastal areas would work, but it takes farmland from rice and sugar cane production as well as catfish and talipia production.  Algae in greenhouses might be more effective because of year round production.  Still, this will take considerable time.  The auto companies can make natural gas vehicles right now, right off the assembly line, just a few different controls and fuel storage.  Pipelines are alread in place in 80-90% of towns in America.  Compressors at service stations would have to be installed.  All this can be done in 5-7 years and cut 40% of the imported oil.  In the meantime these 214 million vehicles, not counting planes, trains, and ships need oil and oil products to keep moving.  If you don't like big oil companies, then just break them up into smaller companies using anti-monopoly laws.  Prices wouldn't change much, supply wouldn't change much, especially if the government doesn't allow drilling anywhere or pipeline construction to bring the oil to refineries. 
 
Right now, we need to do something, not wait until the Alaska pipeline freezes over, not wait until we are at the complete importing mercy of third world and Muslim countries which is what Obama wants. 
 
Obama's mother and mother's parents were communists, he was mentored by Frank Marshall Davis, Jr, during his teens, who was a known communist.  He knew William Ayers.  He associated with communists, socialists, etc in college.  He studied what his father, Obama Sr, believed, "Dreams From my Father".  Obama Sr was a communist, anti three C's, anti-colonialist, anti-capitalist, and anti-Christian.  He wants America to be brought down and be at the mercy of the 3rd World because he thinks America was/is a colonial power, controlling the world.  See the movie.  Makes sense to me. 

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Re: Obama Administration stops drilling.
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2012, 03:41:27 PM »
It's not Obama who's stopping the drilling.
 
In 1980 Carter signed into law the Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act which allowed drilling in ANWR, but not without prior approval from Congress.
 
Where's the congressional approval?

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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2012, 08:04:22 PM »
two-blocked:  You are right, Senator Stevens unsuccessfully tried to get ANWR opened several times.  Each time the environmental groups flooded Congressional offices with request to keep ANWR closed, and Congress responded.  A bill to open ANWR was gotten through the house several times, but the Senate killed it each time.
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