What new Auto Shot Gun to buy?

[STUMPJMPR]

It's been a few months since my last gun purchase and the fever is starting to hit me again.  I hunted this past weekend with a man who was using a Remington 1100.  I own one of these guns in 3" magnum and I like it very much, but it will not cycle low brass shells at all.  So whats your opinion?

[curteric]

I'm not to sure, but I think that you could buy a 2 3/4 barrel and some gas system parts, and Your 1100 should cycle just fine.  I did some research on an 1100 Target gun to use fro both target and hunting. All I needed to do was change the barrel.

[STUMPJMPR]

I'm not to sure, but I think that you could buy a 2 3/4 barrel and some gas system parts, and Your 1100 should cycle just fine.  I did some research on an 1100 Target gun to use fro both target and hunting. All I needed to do was change the barrel.

I would rather leave this gun intact.  I don't hunt with it much. It belonged to my grandfather.

[spruce]

I voted for the 11-87 simply because if you like the 1100 you'll probably like the 11-87 and I think they're a good value in that price range.
 
Been hearing some good comments on the new Mossberg auto though I've never handled one.  Attractive price.

[scootrd]

As a shot gun layman , what intended purpose would you be using it for ?

[STUMPJMPR]

As a shot gun layman , what intended purpose would you be using it for ?

Squirrel, rabbit, dove, woodcock.

[PowPow]

Stump, bought one yet?


I was looking for an upland auto summer before last.
Wanted an 1100, similar to those made in the early 70's. 
For the price range you listed, you might look at the CZ 712/720.
Never shoot one, but CZ's have a good rep.


(BTW-sold my Yildiz, going Monday to buy a 12 ga 3.5" pump, probably a Benelli Supernova.)

[STUMPJMPR]

Stump, bought one yet?


I was looking for an upland auto summer before last.
Wanted an 1100, similar to those made in the early 70's. 
For the price range you listed, you might look at the CZ 712/720.
Never shoot one, but CZ's have a good rep.


(BTW-sold my Yildiz, going Monday to buy a 12 ga 3.5" pump, probably a Benelli Supernova.)

I haven't bought anything yet.  My research has led me to believe the best gun for the money is the Weatherby SA-08.  It comes with 2 pistons one for low brass and one for high brass.  A synthetic model is about $440.  This weekend I took out my old 1100 and my mossberg 500.  I noticed the pump is a lot easier to unload.  Both guns weigh too much.  I think I'm going to probably save my money and stick with the mossberg 500.

[theduke]

I have a rem 1100 3" mag and it is supposed to only shoot 3" shells according to remington website.  It will not cycle low brass or 23/4 shells. 

[yoopercsp]

Does anyone have any info on Escort Shotguns?

[charles p]

I have a 3" magnum Model 1100 and I have a fatcort 3" barrel and a factoy 2 3/4 barrel.  Both work with their intended ammo.  Used barrels can be found at a steal if you look.  Hastings also makes one with screw chokes.

[mike243]

I bought a Weatherby sa08 in 20g,love it.Also pu a winchester mod 59 that shoots great also.Look out doves they both will see some action soon lol

[pastorp]

Buy a Benalli, they work with everything without the need of changing anything. 

Regards,

[SHOOTALL]

It's been a few months since my last gun purchase and the fever is starting to hit me again.  I hunted this past weekend with a man who was using a Remington 1100.  I own one of these guns in 3" magnum and I like it very much, but it will not cycle low brass shells at all.  So whats your opinion?

I like the winchester super X 2 . they come in 3 inch which shoots everything up to 3 inch and 3.5 inch which mine shoots everything also most of the time . on real cold days it may or may not shoot 7/8 oz loads. not bad for a 3.5 inch gun. It's also the fastest cycling gun. I have not shot the SX3 but some say it's as good or better. I have hunted in Canada under some harsh conditions where a super black egale failed and the SX-2 never had a problem. how harsh ? had to wash the guns out with a pressure washer and hot water.

[Ranger99]

benelli- nothing close since they don't make
humpback auto-5's anymore

[STUMPJMPR]

I ended up with a used remington 1100.  It looked bad but functions flawless.  Its a good woods beater.

[curteric]

Stumpjmpr: If you take both barrels and compare the gas ports you will see a difference. That is why Charles P and I have 2 barrels for our 1100's. I don't know if it is true but I have been told that all 1100 actions are the same. The ports and sometimes the gas piston parts change.

[charles p]

I also have a 3" 1100 from the mid 70s.  I bought a plain 26" IC 2 3/4 barrel for it and using that barrel it will cycle short shells. 

[SHOOTALL]

Stumpjmpr: If you take both barrels and compare the gas ports you will see a difference. That is why Charles P and I have 2 barrels for our 1100's. I don't know if it is true but I have been told that all 1100 actions are the same. The ports and sometimes the gas piston parts change.

I have heard of gunsmiths tapping one of the holes and plugging it if shooting mags and removing the screw to shoot low power shells , lot of work when two bbls can be used.

[curteric]

pastorp; My wife has a Benelli Sport, the original one. Your right, they digest everything from 3 inch to 7/8 oz at 1100 fps. Just load them up and go.

[Darryle]

I own a SBE II and a couple of M2s, including a 20ga, a Auto-5 with 18 seasons on it and I hunt with a Beretta 390. I will put the A300 Outlander/390/3901/391 Urika up against any $1000+ gun currently on the market.

If it were me and I wanted a new auto, the 2 front runners would be a Weatherby SA-08 and a Beretta A300 Outlander.

They offer considerably less recoil than the Benelli guns and are 1/3 - 1/2 the price.

The Beretta gets the nod simply because it is LOP adjustable from 13" up to 14 1/2", has drop and cast shims and comes with a historically easy on the shoulder gas system that is also very easy to maintain.

The Weatherby is no slouch though, It's only drawback is the double piston gas system, if they could overcome that single hiccup, that gun would level the playing field.

I always enjoy seeing the Benelli be all/end all shotgun recommendations, while they are nice guns, they are certainly not the best choice for everyone or every situation.

Chiseled out of stone

[SHOOTALL]

Most never use a gun in harsh enough places and weather to see what holds up . Try waterfowl hunting in the fields and marshes arounf Oak Hammock. when its freezing when you set up with dust and rain when you pick up. I have shot in snow and a couple hourd later been in short sleeves. Washed mud and grit out of guns with pressure washers . People often don't rtealize that heavy clothing often gets in the way and guns don't recoil as they should same for arkward positions. 3.5 inch shells along with grit or cold or both seldom mix. Pumps are great until you have to pump in heavy clothes in cramped blinds.I have hunted with 870 pumps and they work . Super Black Eagles and they jam when full of grit or when you can't get tight to shoulder . I had the best luck with Winchester X-2's they never jammed , they would sling out mud or trash and they are forgiving when gun mount is not perfect. Two other guys on trips used SBE and one had same experince I had the other seemed to work. Remington 100 worked as did a BPS . Three other SX-2 worked flawless. All were subjected to harsh use mine for 5 years . 

[pastorp]

I think southeast Alaska is as harsh a climate as your going to find. With rainfall approaching 200" a year and constant storms with up to 100+ mph winds. Add to this traveling in boats with all the associated saltwater spray. But my Benelli held up fine through it all. Mine was a M1 90. It took 2&3/4" & 3" shells. I never used a black eagle but the 3" worked through it all. I've been out in winter where the salt spray froze to the decks of my cruser but the old Benelli just kept working. 

And I did not need to change barrels or friction rings or anything else. Just stuff those shells in and shoot.

Regards,

[SHOOTALL]

my experince was with the SBE a different gun .

[pastorp]

And your point is? 

[curteric]

pastors
My experiance with Benelli's is that they are the Timex of the shotgun world. " They take a licking and keep on ticking."

[SHOOTALL]

And your point is? 

The SBE I had and one of the guys hunting with me was not up to the task.   

[pastorp]

Benelli shotguns are highly though of & liked by many hunters. The way you came across was putting down all Benelli shotguns.  your example of 2 hardly proves anything.
I think you would be better served just to stick with your choice & why rather than putting down the 3 or so of us that have had very good service from our Benelli. 
Some of your statements looked like a direct put down of me. I respect your opinions regarding what you like but I've been there & done that ever bit as much as you have. So you hunted Canada a few times. I lived Alaska for years. So don't talk down to me.

Regards,

[SHOOTALL]

I posted personal experinces in harsh conditions if you think that was putting them down then the concept of a product standing on it's own merit must be something you fail to consider.

[ejpaul1]

I own a benelli M2 and a fairly new remington 11-87 (bought recently and shot low brass up to 3" steel for ducks) and have a first hand opinion of both. Frankly, I like the M2 for some things and the 11-87 for others. Is the benelli better over all? sure, but it is more than twice the cost. I have shot older 1100's before and had mostly good experiences. The M2 is a better semi auto action, more reliable in my opinion. But, it has noticably more recoil. The 11-87 is primarily for my wife. So far, I have only experienced 1 jam out of an old 1100. THis one I own is flawless. FOr 600 bucks, you cant really beat it. I'll agree that the O ring is the possible weak link in the 11-87 but if you clean it, you'll get good service. I have heard reports from burned 1100/11-87 owners but in all honesty, the real benefit is that they can be re-built and serviced in a million places. The benelli? Not so much. If it were my money and I had only 600, I'd get the 11-87, if you got 1100 bucks however, get the benelli.