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Making 25-35 from 30-30 brass
« on: November 12, 2012, 09:42:59 AM »
Anyone doing this with success? Im planning on using Imperial sizing die wax.
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Re: Making 25-35 from 30-30 brass
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2012, 01:00:24 PM »
That ought to be pretty simple. I have made 30 & 357 Herrett and 7x30 Waters with no problem. I would start just a hair long,  to where they will not chamber , then turn the sizer die in about 1/8 turn until they will just close.
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Re: Making 25-35 from 30-30 brass
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2012, 12:06:56 AM »
Necking down to 25 caliber is a little different than to 7mm. With too much lube you'll get deep hydraulic dimples and without enough, the shoulder gets crushed into the case. Thats what im getting now and wanted to hear from anyone who does it and the methods they use. It sounds like it should be simple but i wish it were.
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Re: Making 25-35 from 30-30 brass
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2012, 07:56:01 AM »
  I'm thinking this SHOULD be done in several steps. .30 to 7mm then to 25. Maybe annealing between the last steps. I went from .358 to 7-08 in 3 steps and annealed after the last reduction. I had lots of cases so the few I lost were not a problem. I do like that Imperial sizing wax.

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Re: Making 25-35 from 30-30 brass
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2012, 08:42:18 AM »
Ill have to get a set of 7x30 dies because the shortest 7mm dies i have are TCU's and the die body inside diameter isn't large enough for the 30-30 cases.. Quite a cunnundrum.
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Re: Making 25-35 from 30-30 brass
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2012, 12:11:48 PM »
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What I did was found a few old sizing dies in different cal and just cut them down , now I have a fairly nice set of step-down dies just for such type things .
 
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Re: Making 25-35 from 30-30 brass
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2012, 02:34:33 PM »
Not a bad idea Stimp.  Thanks for the reply. ;)
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Re: Making 25-35 from 30-30 brass
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2012, 06:10:34 PM »
I took only once fired 30-30 Winchester cases sprayed with Rem Oil Aerosol and ran them slowly through the 25-35 Winchester full length die with great success with little loss.


I found new 30-30 Winchester brass is too soft for my process.


Once formed I cleaned all the oil off with soap and water and dried.


The imperial sizing wax should prove too be a winner also.



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Re: Making 25-35 from 30-30 brass
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2012, 01:36:51 AM »
  Flash,    I have done it and use a 7 mm shortened die with no neck sizing stem for the first step.  I make alot of different wildcats by using the same methood as Stimpy suggested. You dont want to overwork the neck by squeezing it smaller then pulling the sizing stem back thru the case before sizing smaller on the next step down.
Make sure when you do run the 25-35 die down on the case the first pass to have the inside of the neck lubed with the sizing wax, I use a very light amount applied with a Q tip.  Anyway you do it you will still need to shoot it once in your 25-35 before it will be fully formed.  I have a old Win 94 in 25-35 and all of my brass for it has been made from 30-30.
 For anyone that likes to neck down different caliber cases and not have to buy expensive forming dies. If you can find old sizing dies in cartridges that have larger sized body diameters such as belted magnums and cut them down removing the metal from the bottom of the die. It is best done on a lathe with a carbide tool as the sizing dies are heat treated and very hard but they can be shortened by a abrasive cutoff wheel, grinder, beltsander ect.  You want them quite short but with enough threads left on the die body to screw them into your press at least 4-5 threads, that way when you are necking cases with these you will be using just the neck area of the die ( short stroking ) so it doesnt really matter if the sholder angle on the die is anywhere close to what the finished case will have.
 I have found the Imperial sizing wax and Lee sizing wax to work the best over other types of lube but whatever works for you and is easiest is best.
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