White Slavery In Colonial America

[lgm270]

Here's a link to a site that  discusses the issue of  the slavery of white people in colonial America and the Carrbbean area.  In the early days of the colonies, white slaves significantly outnumbered black slaves and were treated more brutally because white slaves were much cheaper than the significantly  more expensive  Africans.

See the ads from colonial newspapers that  identify  "runaway" slaves as whites, i.e. "Irish."   


http://www.saveyourheritage.com/white_slavery.htm

[jlwilliams]

Thanks for the link.  I wish I'd seen the thread when I had time to read the article.  I'll read it tonight.

[rio grande]

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/forgottenslaves.html

[Bob Riebe]

Here is a little information on the author of that rhetoric,  written for nut-jobs  as no one with intelligence would take  it seriously.

Views on cryptocracy Hoffman's self-described vocation is "researching the occult cryptocracy's orchestration of American history." He believes that this cryptocracy runs American history, controlling culture and thought via ritualistic psychodramas and killing sprees. A detailed explanation of this hypothesis is found in Hoffman's Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare. Examples of such "psychodramas," in Hoffman's view, include Route 66 (which connects various centers of Satanic importance), and the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy, in which Hoffman sees ritualistic elements.^[1]
Hoffman also argues that the gnosis of this ruling cabal are slowly being revealed through movies such as They Live and The Matrix and other forms of symbolic and subliminal communication which Hoffman terms twilight language.
Views on Jews and Judaism
In his books Judaism's Strange Gods (2000) and Judaism Discovered: A Study of the Anti-Biblical Religion of Racism, Self-Worship, Superstition and Deceit (2008), Hoffman argues that modern-day Jewish Orthodoxy has little to no relation to the Old Testament, but is instead based on the oral tradition as represented by the Mishnah, the Gemara and derivative rabbinic halacha. Hoffman supports the Karaites, a Jewish sect who reject the Talmud, as "a group which, historically, has been most hated and severely persecuted by orthodox Jewish rabbinate."^[3] According to the back cover of Judaism Discovered, Hoffman contends that Orthodox Judaism has more in common with Babylonian paganism than Israelite Biblicism.
Views on the Holocaust
Hoffman's views on the Holocaust include many elements of Holocaust denial. Hoffman doubts that execution gas chambers existed in the Nazi camp Auschwitz-Birkenau, and claims that the term "Holocaust" is Orwellian Newspeak imposed beginning circa 1978 in order to confuse and distract from debates about the numbers of Jewish deaths that can be attributed to Nazism.^[4] Hoffman doubts that six million Jews were killed by the Nazis and asserts that most of the Jewish deaths in WWII were from typhus, malnutrition and shootings perpetrated by some units of the SS on the Eastern front.

[lgm270]

Here is a little information on the author of that rhetoric,  written for nut-jobs  as no one with intelligence would take  it seriously.

Views on cryptocracy Hoffman's self-described vocation is "researching the occult cryptocracy's orchestration of American history." He believes that this cryptocracy runs American history, controlling culture and thought via ritualistic psychodramas and killing sprees. A detailed explanation of this hypothesis is found in Hoffman's Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare. Examples of such "psychodramas," in Hoffman's view, include Route 66 (which connects various centers of Satanic importance), and the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy, in which Hoffman sees ritualistic elements.^[1]
Hoffman also argues that the gnosis of this ruling cabal are slowly being revealed through movies such as They Live and The Matrix and other forms of symbolic and subliminal communication which Hoffman terms twilight language.
Views on Jews and Judaism
In his books Judaism's Strange Gods (2000) and Judaism Discovered: A Study of the Anti-Biblical Religion of Racism, Self-Worship, Superstition and Deceit (2008), Hoffman argues that modern-day Jewish Orthodoxy has little to no relation to the Old Testament, but is instead based on the oral tradition as represented by the Mishnah, the Gemara and derivative rabbinic halacha. Hoffman supports the Karaites, a Jewish sect who reject the Talmud, as "a group which, historically, has been most hated and severely persecuted by orthodox Jewish rabbinate."^[3] According to the back cover of Judaism Discovered, Hoffman contends that Orthodox Judaism has more in common with Babylonian paganism than Israelite Biblicism.
Views on the Holocaust
Hoffman's views on the Holocaust include many elements of Holocaust denial. Hoffman doubts that execution gas chambers existed in the Nazi camp Auschwitz-Birkenau, and claims that the term "Holocaust" is Orwellian Newspeak imposed beginning circa 1978 in order to confuse and distract from debates about the numbers of Jewish deaths that can be attributed to Nazism.^[4] Hoffman doubts that six million Jews were killed by the Nazis and asserts that most of the Jewish deaths in WWII were from typhus, malnutrition and shootings perpetrated by some units of the SS on the Eastern front.

You did not refer to a single thing that refuted the well established practice of the enslavement of white people during the early colonial period of  North America. 

Do you actually know of anything that refutes  the well established fact of white slavery either in North America or in the Carribbean islands? 

Do you have a link to this "information" that you presented?

Also, I read some of your other posts on this site.  What are your qualifications to call  anyone else a "nut-job"?

[rio grande]

Here is a little information on the author of that rhetoric,  written for nut-jobs  as no one with intelligence would take  it seriously.

Views on cryptocracy Hoffman's self-described vocation is "researching the occult cryptocracy's orchestration of American history." He believes that this cryptocracy runs American history, controlling culture and thought via ritualistic psychodramas and killing sprees. A detailed explanation of this hypothesis is found in Hoffman's Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare. Examples of such "psychodramas," in Hoffman's view, include Route 66 (which connects various centers of Satanic importance), and the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy, in which Hoffman sees ritualistic elements.^[1]
Hoffman also argues that the gnosis of this ruling cabal are slowly being revealed through movies such as They Live and The Matrix and other forms of symbolic and subliminal communication which Hoffman terms twilight language.
Views on Jews and Judaism
In his books Judaism's Strange Gods (2000) and Judaism Discovered: A Study of the Anti-Biblical Religion of Racism, Self-Worship, Superstition and Deceit (2008), Hoffman argues that modern-day Jewish Orthodoxy has little to no relation to the Old Testament, but is instead based on the oral tradition as represented by the Mishnah, the Gemara and derivative rabbinic halacha. Hoffman supports the Karaites, a Jewish sect who reject the Talmud, as "a group which, historically, has been most hated and severely persecuted by orthodox Jewish rabbinate."^[3] According to the back cover of Judaism Discovered, Hoffman contends that Orthodox Judaism has more in common with Babylonian paganism than Israelite Biblicism.
Views on the Holocaust
Hoffman's views on the Holocaust include many elements of Holocaust denial. Hoffman doubts that execution gas chambers existed in the Nazi camp Auschwitz-Birkenau, and claims that the term "Holocaust" is Orwellian Newspeak imposed beginning circa 1978 in order to confuse and distract from debates about the numbers of Jewish deaths that can be attributed to Nazism.^[4] Hoffman doubts that six million Jews were killed by the Nazis and asserts that most of the Jewish deaths in WWII were from typhus, malnutrition and shootings perpetrated by some units of the SS on the Eastern front.

So Mr. Riebe?  Your point is?
 
lgm270 I did not want to mess up your thread.  Hoffman did meticulous research on the subject of white slavery, an honest research that he uses on every subject he addresses.  It's all out in the open and everyone can look it over and come to their own conclusions.
 
Some people on the other hand, wish to literally ban discussion of certain information on certain subjects.

[Bob Riebe]

So Mr. Riebe?  Your point is?
 
lgm270 I did not want to mess up your thread.  Hoffman did meticulous research on the subject of white slavery, an honest research that he uses on every subject he addresses.  It's all out in the open and everyone can look it over and come to their own conclusions.
 
Some people on the other hand, wish to literally ban discussion of certain information on certain subjects.

It is just more bs for the gullible, from a damned liar.

[SwampThing762]

I was a history education major in college, but I do not recall actual white slavery being practiced in the colonies.  I do know that indenture contracts were sold back and forth  in the same manner as any other commodity.  Indentured servitude was little better than slavery at that time.   Could that possibly be what was meant?  I do not know, myself, but I think seeing these ads in the actual papers would be intriguing.

ST762

[BUGEYE]

I was a history education major in college, but I do not recall actual white slavery being practiced in the colonies.  I do know that indenture contracts were sold back and forth  in the same manner as any other commodity.  Indentured servitude was little better than slavery at that time.   Could that possibly be what was meant?  I do not know, myself, but I think seeing these ads in the actual papers would be intriguing.

ST762

You are closer to the truth.  my wife did my family history and it seem that the first of my family in america was an endentured servant from France.

[lgm270]

I was a history education major in college, but I do not recall actual white slavery being practiced in the colonies.  I do know that indenture contracts were sold back and forth  in the same manner as any other commodity.  Indentured servitude was little better than slavery at that time.   Could that possibly be what was meant?  I do not know, myself, but I think seeing these ads in the actual papers would be intriguing.

ST762

Indentured servitude for a period of years, usually seven, was separate and distinct from slavery.  White slavery was actually practiced, most often against the Irish because they were in a constant state of rebellion against the British.  Irish were more plentiful  and less expensive than the Africans that later replaced them.  Most white slaves ended up in the Carrbbean working on sugar plantations  rather than in the North American colonies. 

Whites were also enslaved over a period of several centuries by Muslim slave traders, who conducted slave raids in England and Ireland.  The Irish town of Baltimore was surrounded,  cut off and completely captured on one very audacious slave raid. It was  years before any of the hapless white slaves saw their homeland again.

[BUGEYE]

I've read a lot of log-books and diaries from ship captains of the sailship era, and England did send some criminals to the carribean rather than foot the cost of prison.
poor criminals were just hanged, but those from landed families were the ones who were sent.

[rio grande]

I was a history education major in college, but I do not recall actual white slavery being practiced in the colonies.  I do know that indenture contracts were sold back and forth  in the same manner as any other commodity.  Indentured servitude was little better than slavery at that time.   Could that possibly be what was meant?  I do not know, myself, but I think seeing these ads in the actual papers would be intriguing.

ST762

Indentured servitude for a period of years, usually seven, was separate and distinct from slavery.  White slavery was actually practiced, most often against the Irish because they were in a constant state of rebellion against the British.  Irish were more plentiful  and less expensive than the Africans that later replaced them.  Most white slaves ended up in the Carrbbean working on sugar plantations  rather than in the North American colonies. 

"The Establishment has created the misnomer of "indentured servitude" to explain away and minimize the fact of White slavery. But bound Whites in early America called themselves slaves. Nine-tenths of the White slavery in America was conducted without indentures of any kind but according to the so-called "custom of the country," as it was known, which was lifetime slavery administered by the White slave merchants themselves.
 
In George Sandys laws for Virginia, Whites were enslaved "forever." The service of Whites bound to Berkeley's Hundred was deemed "perpetual." These accounts have been policed out of the much touted "standard reference works" such as Abbott Emerson Smith's laughable whitewash, Colonists in Bondage.
 
I challenge any researcher to study 17th century colonial America, sifting the documents, the jargon and the statutes on both sides of the Atlantic and one will discover that White slavery was a far more extensive operation than Black enslavement. It is when we come to the 18th century that one begins to encounter more "servitude" on the basis of a contract of indenture. But even in that period there was kidnapping of Anglo-Saxons into slavery as well as convict slavery."
 
Read the link....
 
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/forgottenslaves.html

[Ga.windbreak]

A few more links to add to this thread for thought:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/books/review/Lau-t.html?_r=0

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2107458/The-white-slave-children-New-Orleans-Images-pale-mixed-race-slaves-used-drum-sympathy-funds-wealthy-donors-1860s.html

http://www.electricscotland.com/history/other/white_slavery.htm

According to the Egerton manuscript, British Museum, the enactment of 1652: it may be lawful for two or more  justices of the peace within any county, citty or towne, corporate belonging to the commonwealth to from tyme to tyme by warrant cause to be apprehended, seized on and detained all and every person or persons that shall be found begging and vagrant.. in any towne, parish or place to be conveyed into the Port of London, or unto any other port from where such person or persons may be shipped into a forraign collonie or plantation.

The British government had realized as early as the 1640’s how beneficial white slave labor was to the profiting colonial plantations.  Slavery was instituted as early as 1627 in the British West Indies.  The Calendar of State Papers, Colonial Series of 1701 records 25000 slaves in Barbados in which 21700 were white slaves.
George Downing wrote a letter to the honorable John Winthrop Colonial Governor of Massachusetts in 1645, “planters who want to make a fortune in the West Indies must procure white slave labor out of England if they wanted to succeed.”  Lewis Cecil Gray’s History of Agriculture in the Southern United States to 1860 vol.1 pp 316, 318 records Sir George Sandys’ 1618 plan for Virginia, referring to bound whites assigned to the treasurer’s office. “To belong to said office forever.  The service of whites bound to Berkeley Hundred was deemed perpetual.”