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King Richard III has been found, after all these years.....
« on: February 04, 2013, 05:37:38 AM »
Experts find remains of England's King Richard III     Must Read?Yes     126          Email Story Print    By JILL LAWLESS, AP
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    news-general-20130204-EU.Britain.Richard.III Jo Appleby, a lecturer in Human Bioarchaeology, at University of Leicester, ...
   LEICESTER, England — He wore the English crown, but he ended up defeated, humiliated and reviled.
Now things are looking up for King Richard III. Scientists announced Monday that they had found the monarch's 500-year-old remains under a parking lot in the city of Leicester — a discovery Richard's fans say will inspire new research into his maligned history.
University of Leicester researchers say tests on a battle-scarred skeleton unearthed last year prove "beyond reasonable doubt" that it is the king, who died at the Battle of Bosworth Field in 1485, and whose remains have been missing for centuries.
 "Richard III, the last Plantagenet King of England, has been found," said the university's deputy registrar, Richard Taylor.
Bone specialist Jo Appleby said study of the bones provided "a highly convincing case for identification of Richard III."
The Plantagenets were a royal dynasty whose strong-tempered rulers conquered Wales, battled France, and help transform England into a thriving medieval kingdom. The last of the dynasty, Richard III was also the last English monarch to die in battle, immortalized by William Shakespeare as a hunchbacked usurper who left a trail of bodies — including those of his two princely nephews, murdered in the Tower of London — on his way to the throne.
DNA from the skeleton matched a sample taken from a distant living relative of Richard's sister. Geneticist Turi King said Michael Ibsen, a Canadian carpenter living in London, shares with the skeleton a rare strain of mitochondrial DNA. She said combined with the archaeological evidence, that left little doubt the skeleton belonged to Richard.
Ibsen said he was "stunned" to discover he was related to the king — he is a 17th great-grand-nephew of Richard's older sister.
 "It's difficult to digest" he said.
Mike Pitts, editor of British Archaeology magazine, said he found the evidence persuasive.
 "I don't think there is any question — it is Richard III," said Pitts, who was not affiliated with the research team.
He said it was one of the most exciting archaeological discoveries in ages.
 "The identification of the king is just the very beginning of a whole range of new ideas and research that will change the way we view this period of history," he said.
Richard III ruled England between 1483 and 1485, during the decades-long tussle over the throne known as the Wars of the Roses. His brief reign saw liberal reforms, including introduction of the right to bail and the lifting of restrictions on books and printing presses.
His rule was challenged, and he was defeated and killed by the army of Henry Tudor, who took the throne as King Henry VII.
Many historians say his bloodthirsty image is unfair, and argue Richard's reputation was smeared by his Tudor successors. That's an argument taken up by the Richard III Society, set up to re-evaluate the reputation of a reviled monarch.
The society's Philippa Langley, who helped launch the search for the king, said she could scarcely believe her quest had paid off.
 "Everyone thought that I was mad," she said. "It's not the easiest pitch in the world, to look for a king under a council car park."
Now, she said, "a wind of change is blowing, one that will seek out the truth about the real Richard III."
For centuries, the location of Richard's body has been unknown. Records say he was buried by the Franciscan monks of Grey Friars at their church in Leicester, 100 miles (160 kilometers) north of London. The church was closed and dismantled after King Henry VIII dissolved the monasteries in 1538, and its location eventually was forgotten.
Then, last September, archaeologists searching for Richard dug up the skeleton of an adult male who appeared to have died in battle.
Appleby said the 10 injuries to the body were inflicted by weapons like swords, daggers and halberds and were consistent with accounts of Richard being struck down in battle — his helmet knocked from his head — before his body was stripped naked and flung over the back of a horse in disgrace.
She said some scars, including a knife wound to the buttock, bore the hallmarks of "humiliation injuries" inflicted after death.
The remains also displayed signs of scoliosis, which is a form of spinal curvature, consistent with contemporary accounts of Richard's appearance, though not with Shakespeare's description of him as a "deform'd, unfinished," hunchback.
Researchers conducted a battery of scientific tests, including radiocarbon dating to determine the skeleton's age. They found the skeleton belonged to a man aged between his late 20s and late 30s who died between 1455 and 1540. Richard was 32 when he died in 1485.
The discovery is a boon for the city of Leicester, which has bought a building next to the parking lot to serve as a visitor center and museum.
The mayor, Peter Soulsby, said the monarch would be interred in the city's cathedral and a memorial service would be held.
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Re: King Richard III has been found, after all these years.....
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2013, 06:34:34 AM »
great!
Now I can finally stop looking for him.

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Re: King Richard III has been found, after all these years.....
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2013, 07:24:52 AM »
Willy,

I thought we could use a topic other than Obama and his war on guns.   I found the story interesting because it was during Richard's reign that the concept of bail was introduced into English law, and later to be included into American jurisprudence.

Here is an expansion on the original article....

Experts find remains of England's King Richard III     Must Read?Yes     84          Email Story Print    By JILL LAWLESS, AP
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   LEICESTER, England — He was king of England, but for centuries he lay without shroud or coffin in an unknown grave, and his name became a byword for villainy.
But on Monday, scientists announced they had rescued the remains of Richard III from anonymity — and the monarch's fans hope a revival of his reputation will soon follow.
In a dramatically orchestrated news conference, a team of archaeologists, geneticists, genealogists and other scientists from the University of Leicester announced that tests had proved what they had scarcely dared to hope — a scarred and broken skeleton unearthed under a drab municipal parking lot was that of the 15th-century king, the last English monarch to die in battle.
Lead archaeologist Richard Butler said that a battery of tests proved "beyond reasonable doubt" that the remains were the king's.
Lin Foxhall, head of the university's school of archaeology, said the discovery "could end up rewriting a little bit of history in a big way."
Few monarchs have seen their reputations decline as much after death as Richard III. He ruled England between 1483 and 1485, during the decades-long tussle over the throne known as the Wars of the Roses, which pitted two wings of the ruling Plantagenet dynasty — York and Lancaster — against one another.
His brief reign saw liberal reforms, including the introduction of the right to bail and the lifting of restrictions on books and printing presses.
But his rule was challenged, and he was defeated and killed by the army of Henry Tudor, who took the throne as King Henry VII and ended the Plantagenet line. (Britain's current monarch, Queen Elizabeth II, is distantly related to Richard, but is not a descendant.)
Death was just the start of Richard's problems. Historians writing under the victorious Tudors comprehensively trashed his reputation, accusing him of myriad crimes — most famously, the murder of his two nephews, the "Princes in the Tower."
William Shakespeare indelibly depicted Richard as a hunchbacked usurper who left a trail of bodies on his way to the throne before dying in battle, shouting "My kingdom for a horse."
That view was repeated by many historians, and Richard remains a villain in the popular imagination. But others say Richard's reputation was unjustly smeared by his Tudor successors.
Philippa Langley of the Richard III Society — which seeks to restore the late king's reputation and backed the search for his grave_ said for centuries Richard's story had been told by others, many of them hostile.
She hopes a new surge of interest, along with evidence from the skeleton about how the king lived and died — and how he was mistreated after death — will help restore his reputation.
 "A wind of change is blowing, one that will seek out the truth about the real Richard III," she said.
Langley, who helped launch the search for the king, said she could scarcely believe her quest had paid off.
 "Everyone thought that I was mad," she said. "It's not the easiest pitch in the world, to look for a king under a council car park."
The location of Richard's body was unknown for centuries. He died in August 1485 at the Battle of Bosworth Field in the English Midlands, and records say he was buried by the Franciscan monks of Grey Friars at their church in Leicester, 100 miles (160 kilometers) north of London.
The church was closed and dismantled after King Henry VIII dissolved the monasteries in 1538, and its location eventually was forgotten by most local residents.
There were tales that the king's bones had been dug up and thrown in a nearby river in the 16th century.
But last year a team led by University of Leicester archaeologist Richard Buckley identified a possible location of the grave through map regression analysis, starting with a current map of the general area of the former church and analyzing earlier maps to discover what had changed and not changed. Ground-penetrating radar was used to find the best places to start digging.
The team began excavating in a parking lot last August. Within a week they had located thick walls and the remains of tiled floors. Soon after, they found human remains — the skeleton of an adult male who appeared to have died in battle.
He had been buried unceremoniously, with no coffin or shroud — plausible for a despised and defeated enemy.
Increasingly excited, the researchers set out to conduct a battery of scientific tests, including radiocarbon dating to determine the skeleton's age, to see whether, against the odds, they really had found the king.
They found the skeleton belonged to a man aged between his late 20s and late 30s who died between 1455 and 1540. Richard was 32 when he died in 1485.
Archaeological bone specialist Jo Appleby, a lecturer in human bioarchaeology at Leicester, said study of the bones provided "a highly convincing case for identification of Richard III."
Appleby said the 10 injuries to the body were inflicted by weapons such as swords, daggers and halberds and were consistent with accounts of Richard being struck down in battle — his helmet knocked from his head — before his body was stripped naked and flung over the back of a horse in disgrace.
Appleby said two of the blows to the head could have been fatal. Some other scars, including a knife wound to the buttock, bore the hallmarks of "humiliation injuries" inflicted after death.
The remains also displayed signs of scoliosis, a form of spinal curvature, consistent with contemporary accounts of Richard's appearance, though not the withered arm Shakespeare describes him as having.
DNA from the skeleton matched a sample taken from Michael Ibsen, a distant living relative of Richard's sister. The project's lead geneticist, Turi King, said Ibsen, a Canadian carpenter living in London, shares with the skeleton a rare strain of mitochondrial DNA. The same DNA group also matches a second living descendant, who wants to remain anonymous.
King said that between 1 and 2 percent of the population belongs to this genetic sub-group, so the DNA evidence is not definitive proof in itself of the skeleton's identity — but combined with the archaeological evidence it left little doubt the skeleton belonged to Richard.
Ibsen said he was "stunned" to discover he was related to the king — he is a 17th great-grand-nephew of Richard's older sister.
 "It's difficult to digest," he said.
Some scientists felt qualms about the haste with which the Leicester team announced its results. The findings have not been published in peer-reviewed scientific journals, but the university said they soon would be.
 "It's a bizarre way of going about things," said Mark Horton, a professor of archaeology at the University of Bristol — although he said "overwhelming circumstantial evidence" identified the skeleton as Richard's.
Archaeologist Mike Pitts, editor of British Archaeology magazine, also said he found the evidence persuasive.
 "I don't think there is any question — it is Richard III," said Pitts, who was not affiliated with the research team.
The discovery is a boon for the city of Leicester, which has bought a building next to the parking lot to serve as a visitor center and museum.
On Monday, the king's skeleton lay in a glass box in a meeting room within the university library. It was a browned, fragile-looking thing, its skull pocked with injuries, missing its feet — which scientists say were disturbed sometime after burial — and with a pronounced s-shape to the spine.
Soon the remains will be moved to an undisclosed secure location, and next year Richard will, at last, get a king's burial, interred with pomp and ceremony in Leicester Cathedral.
It is a day Langley, of the Richard III Society, has dreamed of seeing.
 "We have searched for him, we have found him — it is now time to honor him," she said.
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Re: King Richard III has been found, after all these years.....
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2013, 09:54:11 AM »
Willy,

I thought we could use a topic other than Obama and his war on guns.

I wasn't trying to insult or belittle your post.
And if that is how you took it,, then Let me say that I am sorry.
It is interesting.
I was just trying to be funny. ;)

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Re: King Richard III has been found, after all these years.....
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2013, 10:12:34 AM »
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interesting.


the really interesting find, will be when they locate Genghis Khan's tomb...
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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2013, 04:52:29 PM »
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interesting.


the really interesting find, will be when they locate Genghis Khan's tomb...

Or Alexander the Great.



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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2013, 09:59:07 PM »
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interesting.


the really interesting find, will be when they locate Genghis Khan's tomb...

Or Alexander the Great.


 Or Jimmy Hoffa.  :)
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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2013, 10:34:12 PM »
I notice the current technology is also producing a glut of ancient coins.
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Re: King Richard III has been found, after all these years.....
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2013, 02:12:50 AM »
great!
Now I can finally stop looking for him.

I took no offense at your post, which was a bit of tongue-in-cheek humor.   I was just explaining we needed a different topic than Obama.   

On a side note, finding Genghis Khan's tomb would be something of a discovery.  Alexander's tomb would also be a wonder to behold.  I am hoping to see Tamerlane's tomb one of these days in Samarkand, Uzbekistan.  I have friends who live in Tashkent.

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Re: King Richard III has been found, after all these years.....
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2013, 02:18:19 AM »
Or Vlad the impaler ! Wait a minute, he flew away and ended up hanging upside down on my porch.  ;D   OMG ! Vlad lives !!! Or whatever it is that his kind does .

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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2013, 02:40:36 AM »
  Very interesting read, thanks for posting it. Amazing that a 500 year old skeleton would not have been in worse shape!  J
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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2013, 02:54:21 AM »
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   I have been watching the articles and events surrounding this find.  Fox came out yesterday with an announcement that the remains have indeed proven to be those of Richard.
      I have been a casual follower of the archaeological field and find it among the most fascinating of subjects.  I subscribe to 'Biblical Archaeology Review' and find it a source of Biblical proofs.  Some amazing finds have been made in the last few years; finds which all seem to point to the accuracy of the scriptures.
    A couple of the major possible finds which would be on par with the Dead Sea Scrolls, would be the unveiling of the Ark of the Covenant ..or Noah's Ark. One should realize however, that there are forces..both temporal and spiritual which would do their best to squash, ridicule or otherwise try to discount such a find.
   I do believe that as the end of days approach, God may reveal more of these lost treasures in an attempt to persuade and gather the last of the remenant to him.  We may see some exciting finds in the near future...but expect controversey to surround them.
      I often get enticements in the mail to try the archaeology magazine you cited..I may soon take them up on their offer.
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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2013, 03:39:15 AM »
[quote author=ironglow link=topic=274443.msg1099657799#msg1099657799 date=1360072  I subscribe to 'Biblical Archaeology Review' and find it a source of Biblical proofs.  Some amazing finds have been made in the last few years; finds which all seem to point to the accuracy of the scriptures.
 
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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2013, 05:41:34 AM »
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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2013, 05:43:55 AM »
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interesting.


the really interesting find, will be when they locate Genghis Khan's tomb...

Or Alexander the Great.

Could be the greatest leader the white race has ever known. 
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« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2013, 11:37:41 AM »

"Could be the greatest leader the white race has ever known. "

 
My pick is Gustav Adolphus. The leader that brought Sweden to world power status.
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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2013, 05:48:06 AM »
I think they consulted the cartoonist for the Shrek movie when they did his facial reconstruction...................................
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