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I find it absurd to support this killer in anyway shape or form. I hope he is put out of his misery soon. So you don't like the lawyer so you kill his daughter....Really?? Sounds like this guy was an accident looking for a place to happen. Look for more of the same copy cat stuff.
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I find it absurd to support this killer in anyway shape or form. I hope he is put out of his misery soon. So you don't like the lawyer so you kill his daughter....Really?? Sounds like this guy was an accident looking for a place to happen. Look for more of the same copy cat stuff.
Not a lawyer.  Fellow cop that was his Union rep during the hearing.  Same thoughts. 
But the morons that are supporting him, well they are morons and we should say so, loud and often. 
But the goober liberals think the 1st amendment means you have to listen to them especally the wackier they are.

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I find it absurd to support this killer in anyway shape or form. I hope he is put out of his misery soon. So you don't like the lawyer so you kill his daughter....Really?? Sounds like this guy was an accident looking for a place to happen. Look for more of the same copy cat stuff.
Not a lawyer.  Fellow cop that was his Union rep during the hearing.  Same thoughts. 
But the morons that are supporting him, well they are morons and we should say so, loud and often. 
But the goober liberals think the 1st amendment means you have to listen to them especally the wackier they are.


Thanks for the correction. I don't watch the news and what  I thought was fact was bad info someone told me. I agree they are morons. But we already knew they were out there!  ::)
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I find it absurd to support this killer in anyway shape or form. I hope he is put out of his misery soon. So you don't like the lawyer so you kill his daughter....Really?? Sounds like this guy was an accident looking for a place to happen. Look for more of the same copy cat stuff.
Not a lawyer.  Fellow cop that was his Union rep during the hearing.  Same thoughts. 
But the morons that are supporting him, well they are morons and we should say so, loud and often. 
But the goober liberals think the 1st amendment means you have to listen to them especally the wackier they are.


Thanks for the correction. I don't watch the news and what  I thought was fact was bad info someone told me. I agree they are morons. But we already knew they were out there!  ::)
Yea I know 50.1% of them voted for Obama

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I've read "talk" on using a drone as he is now called a domestic terrorist. Being able to purchase firearms chambered for the 50 cal BMG may turn out to be a good thing for the citizenry.
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I find it absurd to support this killer in anyway shape or form. I hope he is put out of his misery soon. So you don't like the lawyer so you kill his daughter....Really?? Sounds like this guy was an accident looking for a place to happen. Look for more of the same copy cat stuff.
Not a lawyer.  Fellow cop that was his Union rep during the hearing.  Same thoughts. 
But the morons that are supporting him, well they are morons and we should say so, loud and often. 
But the goober liberals think the 1st amendment means you have to listen to them especally the wackier they are.


Thanks for the correction. I don't watch the news and what  I thought was fact was bad info someone told me. I agree they are morons. But we already knew they were out there!  ::)
Yea I know 50.1% of them voted for Obama

My news said he had become a lawyer after retiring from the PD.

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Do I have this right?
Dorner was on duty with his supervising officer. This officer unnessessarily kicked a retarded man while he was down. Dorner filed a report on this incident. An investigation said that it did not happen and Dorner was fired.


So, they train a man to kill, he tries to do the right thing, but you don't squeal on your buddies, so they "stab him in the back" and suddenly they are indangered by the one they trained.
         Do I have this right?  You are assuming that:  1.  The supervising officer actually kicked the retarded man;  2.  The investigation falsely found the supervising officer to be innocent;  3.  Dorner did the "right thing" and was fired for THAT;  4.  Dorner is a good guy, but because he was fired he somehow turned into a homicidal maniac, and it's not really his fault.     Is that really what you are trying to say?
No!
My first rule of life is to not aggress against another person or his property except in self defense. It really doesn't matter what motivated him, but it does make an interesting discussion if true.
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I would surrender in Mexico if I cared about living.  They won't extradite with out you taking the death penalty off the table......he would be treated like a folk hero in prison.

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I would surrender in Mexico if I cared about living.  They won't extradite with out you taking the death penalty off the table......he would be treated like a folk hero in prison.

Or he could just be shot while he was trying to "ecape" during his transfer/transport to a holding facility.
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No, woodduck, the "news" is too busy telling us this is all about race and racisim! People go nuts. they always have and always will. in any society in history you will find a nutjob or two. our current "news" culture is to take any event and use it to promote pre planned agenda items. It is really sad that we have lost the battle of words to people that want to destroy us. Sometime in the future we will have to fight a different kind of battle. The kind where innocent people get hurt because we lost the battle of words.

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I would surrender in Mexico if I cared about living.  They won't extradite with out you taking the death penalty off the table......he would be treated like a folk hero in prison.

Or he could just be shot while he was trying to "ecape" during his transfer/transport to a holding facility.



 But can you imagine the S#@% storm that would cause in the media?

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Police believe they were in a shootout with him today.
« Reply #41 on: February 12, 2013, 11:23:59 AM »
Fugitive ex-cop reportedly exchanges fire with authorities  Published February 12, 2013
FoxNews.com    Police are in a fierce gunfight with the fugitive ex-LAPD cop suspected of killing three and declaring war on the force, with the wanted man holed up in a cabin in the San Bernardino Mountains, law enforcement sources said.
Two police officers were reportedly injured, and it was not known if Dorner was hit or in custody.
 
A police source told The Associated Press Christopher Dorner burglarized a cabin on the mountain resort area where days ago Dorner’s truck was found burning. Two people were bound inside the cabin, but one managed to escape and call authorities around 12:50 p.m. local time.
 
Fish and game wardens spotted a suspected stolen car near the scene and tried to stop it in Big Bear Lake. The driver, believed to have been Dorner, fled on foot, exchanging gunfire, sources told Fox News. Hours later, police were believed to have Dorner cornered in a cabin, exchanging gunfire with the suspect.
 
San Bernardino police were on the scene the county Sheriff's Department shut down Highway 38 to create a choke point, sources told Fox News. Four area schools were on lockdown.
The shootout came after a day of searching and speculation, with authorities continuing their door-to-door search at Big Bear Lake, even as sources guessed Dorner may have made it over the border and into Mexico.
 
Dorner, who claimed in a rambling manifesto posted online that he was booted from his job unfairly after official determined he falsely accused his partner of assaulting a suspect, is suspected of gunning down Monica Quan, 28, and her fiancé Keith Lawrence, 27, last week in Orange County. Quan’s father, Randall Quan, represented Dorner at the hearing in which he lost his job in 2009.
 
The 33-year-old former Navy veteran is also suspected of shooting two police officers in Riverside, Calif., killing 11-year veteran Police Officer Michael Crain.
Although statewide alerts were issued in California and Nevada, and authorities were watching the border, the most intense phase of the search has not left Big Bear since last week, when Dorner’s burning truck was found on a local forest road.
 
In recent days, hundreds of police officers have scoured the mountain, searching cabins door-to-door. While the search on Big Bear was scaled back on Monday, the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department continued the hunt..
"The search for Christopher Dorner will continue until he has been apprehended or it has been determined that he is no longer on the mountain," San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon said Tuesday.
 
Meanwhile, an associate of Dorner was being tracked by investigators, according to court records that suggest Dorner may have received help as he eluded a massive law enforcement dragnet. A criminal complaint filed in federal court raises the possibility that Dorner may have been assisted by an associate identified as "J.Y."
The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/12/fugitive-ex-cop-exchanges-fire-with-authorities-ap-source-says/#ixzz2Kj4zUu8b
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Dorner believed to have died in a fire in the cabin.
« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2013, 03:01:49 PM »
Fugitive ex-cop believed dead, as cabin stronghold goes up in flames  Published February 12, 2013
FoxNews.com     
  •    This undated photo released by the Los Angeles Police Department shows suspect Christopher Dorner, a former Los Angeles officer. (AP)
  Next Slide Previous Slide   The dramatic manhunt for a fugitive ex-LAPD cop who killed at least four people apparently ended when the rural California cabin he holed up in went up in flames, with ammunition exploding in the inferno and smoke billowing up into the mountain air.
Christopher Dorner, who hours earlier had killed one San Bernadino sheriff's deputy and wounded another before barricading himself in the cabin, in the San Bernadino mountains, was believed to be inside. Dorner, who vowed not to be taken alive, had been surrounded inside the cabin since early Tuesday afternoon. It was not clear who set the fire in the Big Bear community where Dorner apparently has been hiding since sometime last week.
 
It was a stunning end to a saga that gripped the nation, and had the nation's third-largest police department on tenterhooks for a week. Dorner, a former Navy man and highly trained marksman, had vowed revenge on the department he believed had wronged him - designating specific targets for death. As flames devoured the cabin, police stood by, confident that there was no escape for Dorner, and no way he could survive the blaze - assuming he had not already taken his own life. One law enforcement source told The Associated Press a single shot was heard inside the cabin before the fire broke out.
San Bernardino Sheriff Spokesperson Cindy Bachman told reporters that they will not enter the structure until it is safe to do so.
 
Law enforcement sources said sometime within the last few days, Dorner broke into an cabin off Route 38, on the mountain resort area where days ago his truck was found burning. Two women were held there until Tuesday morning, when Dorner left in a white pickup believed to belong to one of the women, who he left bound inside. One managed to escape and call authorities around 12:50 p.m. local time.
 
Sometime later, fish and wildlife officers spotted the stolen pickup, which they were looking for, and tried to stop it near Big Bear Lake, authorities said. The driver, believed to have been Dorner, fled on foot, exchanging gunfire, sources told Fox News. Hours later, police had Dorner cornered in another cabin, exchanging gunfire with the suspect. It was there that his rampage would end.
As the forces surrounding the cabin mounted, the San Bernardino Sheriff's Department shut down Highway 38 to create a choke point, sources told Fox News. Four area schools were on lockdown.
The police also asked the media to stop tweeting events in real time and showing live aerial shots of the cabin, theorizing Dorner could be monitoring events on television. A CBS correspondent briefly found himself in the crossfire as he broadcasted from the event, before police ordered him out of the  danger zone.
 
The shootout came after a day of searching and speculation, with authorities continuing their door-to-door search in the rural Southern California community, even as sources guessed Dorner, 33, may have made it over the border and into Mexico.
The hulking suspect, who claimed in a rambling manifesto posted online that he was booted from his job unfairly after official determined he falsely accused his partner of assaulting a suspect, vowed to being "asymmetrical warfare" to the department, using his police and military training, and named 40 "targets." Police have guarded the homes of the targets even as they conducted what may be the biggest manhunt in state history.
 
Dorner was suspected of gunning down Monica Quan, 28, and her fiancé Keith Lawrence, 27, on Feb.3 in a parking garage in Irvine, Calif. Quan’s father, Randall Quan, represented Dorner at the hearing in which he lost his job in 2009. On Monday, a day after Quan and Lawrence were found dead, some of Dorner's belongings were discovered in a trash bin near San Diego. Dorner’s bizarre manifesto surfaced on Facebook, implicating him in the murders and announcing his twisted plan for revenge against his former employer. Police hunted Dorner in San Diego, where last Wednesday night a man matching his description tried unsuccessfully to steal a boat from a marina there.
 
In the wee hours on Thursday, some 100 miles north in Riverside County, two LAPD officers assigned to protect a person named in Dorner’s manifesto chased a vehicle they believed was Dorner's. During an ensuing shootout, one officer was grazed in the forehead. Moments later, a gunman believed to be Dorner ambushed two Riverside cops at a traffic light, killing 11-year veteran Police Officer Michael Crain and critically injuring the other.
Dorner’s burning truck turned up 50 miles west of Riverside later that morning. Although statewide alerts were issued in California and Nevada, and authorities were watching the border, the most intense phase of the search has not left Big Bear since the truck was found on a local forest road.
 
In recent days, hundreds of police officers scoured the mountain, searching cabins door-to-door. While the search on Big Bear was scaled back on Monday, the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department continued the hunt, likely within a stone's throw of their violent quarry.
Meanwhile, an associate of Dorner was being tracked by investigators, according to court records that suggest Dorner may have received help as he eluded a massive law enforcement dragnet. A criminal complaint filed in federal court raises the possibility that Dorner may have been assisted by an associate identified as "J.Y."
The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/12/fugitive-ex-cop-exchanges-fire-with-authorities-ap-source-says/#ixzz2KjxbvaRu
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hmmmm.
how did it catch on fire i wonder? ???
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Hey, Is it my imagination or did I hear that there was a hostage in there and one had escaped.
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Probably a gas canister.

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when i read that my first thought
was robert matthews and david koresh
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Hey, Is it my imagination or did I hear that there was a hostage in there and one had escaped.

 
OS. I believe that was another cabin, but not positive. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Thanks Charlie,  Not watching or listening to the news does have some disadvantages. I only get news second hand, and I confuse easily these days.
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Well, looks like the guy is dead,cabin burned. After scanning thru his manifesto, having the mayor of LA put a million dollar bounty on this guy, I smell a rat. On both ends. If this guy was so concerned with the racism and brutality on the force, why didn't he go to Internal Affairs, or the FBI. Or Jesse Jackson,Al Sharpton. They would have ate up an oppurtunity like this. On the other side, why a million dollar bounty?  Unless they wanted him dead. Typical LA style. gypsyman
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Fugitive ex-LAPD cop, Christopher Dorner, believed to be dead after final standoff  Published February 13, 2013
FoxNews.com      As police scoured mountain peaks for days, using everything from bloodhounds to high-tech helicopters, the revenge-seeking ex-cop they wanted was hiding among them, holed up in a vacation cabin across the street from their command post.
It was there that Christopher Dorner apparently took refuge last Thursday, four days after beginning a deadly rampage that would claim four lives.
The search ended abruptly Tuesday when a man believed to be Dorner bolted from hiding, stole two cars, barricaded himself in a vacant cabin and mounted a last stand in a furious shootout in which he killed one sheriff's deputy and wounded another before the building erupted in flames.
The Los Angeles Times reported that just before 5 p.m., authorities began closing in on the suspect. Authorities broke into the cabin’s windows and pumped tear gas. After the tear gas, authorities used a demolition vehicle that removed portions of the cabin’s walls, the report said.
A single gunshot eventually rang out and the cabin became engulfed in flames, the Times reported.
He never emerged from the ruins and hours later a charred body was found inside.
"We have reason to believe that it is him," San Bernardino County sheriff's spokeswoman Cynthia Bachman said. The LAPD said it would not consider the manhunt completed until the remains are identified.
Dorner, 33, had said in a lengthy rant police believe he posted on Facebook that he expected to die in one final, violent confrontation with police, and if it was him in the cabin that's just what happened.
The apparent end came very close to where his trail went cold six days earlier when his burning pickup truck -- with guns and camping gear inside -- was abandoned on a fire road in the San Bernardino National Forest near the ski resort town of Big Bear Lake.
His footprints led away from the truck and vanished on frozen soil.
With no sign of him and few leads, police offered a $1 million reward to bring him to justice and end a "reign of terror" that had more than 50 families of targeted Los Angeles police officers under round-the-clock protection after he threatened to bring "warfare" to the LAPD, officers and their kin.
Just a few hours after police announced Tuesday that they had fielded more than 1,000 tips with no sign of Dorner, word came that a man matching his description had tied up two people in a Big Bear Lake cabin, stole their car and fled. Authorities didn't immediately give more details on the two people.
Game wardens from the California Department of Fish and Wildlife who were part of the search detail spotted the purple Nissan that had been reported stolen going in the opposite direction and gave chase, department spokesman Lt. Patrick Foy said. The driver looked like Dorner.
They lost the purple car after it passed a school bus and turned onto a side road, but two other Fish and Wildlife patrols turned up that road a short time later, and were searching for the car when a white pickup truck sped erratically toward the wardens.
"He took a close look at the driver and realized it was the suspect," Foy said.
Dorner, who allegedly stole the pickup truck at gunpoint after crashing the first car, rolled down a window and opened fire on the wardens, striking a warden's truck more than a dozen times.
One of the wardens shot at the suspect as he rounded a curve in the road. It's unclear if he hit him, but the stolen pickup careened off the road and crashed in a snow bank. Dorner then ran on foot to the cabin where he barricaded himself and got in a shootout with San Bernardino County sheriff's deputies and other officers who arrived.
Two deputies were shot, one fatally.
A SWAT team surrounded the cabin and used an armored vehicle to break out the cabin windows, said a law enforcement official who requested anonymity because the investigation was ongoing. The officers then pumped a gas into the cabin and blasted a message over a loudspeaker: "Surrender or come out."
The armored vehicle then tore down each of the cabin's four walls.
A single shot was heard inside before the cabin was engulfed in flames, the law enforcement official told The Associated Press.
Until Tuesday, authorities weren't sure Dorner was still in Big Bear Lake, where his pickup truck was found within walking distance from the cabin where he hid.
Even door-to-door searches failed to turn up any trace of him in the quiet, bucolic neighborhood where children were playing in the snow Tuesday night.
With many searchers leaving town amid speculation he was long gone, the command center across the street was taken down Monday.
Ron Erickson, whose house is only about quarter mile away, said officers interrogated him to make sure he wasn't being held hostage. Erickson himself had been keeping a nervous watch on his neighborhood, but he never saw the hulking Dorner.
"I looked at all the cabins that backed the national forest and I just didn't think to look at the one across from the command post," he said. "It didn't cross my mind. It just didn't."
Police say Dorner began his run on Feb. 6 after they connected the slayings of a former police captain's daughter and her fiance with his angry manifesto.
Dorner blamed LAPD Capt. Randal Quan for providing poor representation before the police disciplinary board that fired him for filing a false report.
Dorner, who is black, claimed in his online rant that he was the subject of racism by the department and was targeted for doing the right thing.
Chief Charlie Beck, who initially dismissed Dorner's allegations, said he would reopen the investigation into his firing -- not to appease the ex-officer, but to restore confidence in the black community, which had a long fractured relationship with police that has improved in recent years.
Dorner vowed to get even with those who had wronged him as part of his plan to reclaim his good name.
"You're going to see what a whistleblower can do when you take everything from him especially his NAME!!!" the rant said. "You have awoken a sleeping giant."
Within hours of being named as a suspect in the killings, the 6-foot, 270-pounder described as armed and "extremely dangerous," tried unsuccessfully to steal a boat in San Diego to flee to Mexico. After leaving a trail of evidence, he headed north where he opened fire on two patrol cars in Riverside County, shooting three officers and killing one.
With a description of his car broadcast all over the Southwest and Mexico, he managed to get to the mountains 80 miles east of Los Angeles where his burning truck was found with a broken axle.
Only a short distance from the truck, he spent his final days with a front-row seat to the search mobilized right outside.
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Well, looks like the guy is dead,cabin burned. After scanning thru his manifesto, having the mayor of LA put a million dollar bounty on this guy, I smell a rat. On both ends. If this guy was so concerned with the racism and brutality on the force, why didn't he go to Internal Affairs, or the FBI. Or Jesse Jackson,Al Sharpton. They would have ate up an oppurtunity like this. On the other side, why a million dollar bounty?  Unless they wanted him dead. Typical LA style. gypsyman

It was Dorner who chose to die, not LAPD.   He killed four people and would have killed more. He was determined not to be taken alive and there's nothing sinister about the fact that he was not taken alive.